Always been against a cooperation on energy with europe still. The only else to be frank it will strengthen russia and weaken europe. We impose extraterritorial sanctions will get made and see how to go forward with no extreme high tech. Also coming up with the risks in the pipeline and the risks in the network an exclusive interview with the head of chinas 5 g. Giant who way he says theres every reason to trust his company can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now while we are one way has never received any such requests. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with threats coming from china and the. United states aimed directly at germany the Trump Administration has spent most of this year warning the German Government not to trust the Chinese Company who way way is a global giant in 5 g. Equipment the equipment that germany needs to roll out a Faster Network to make the internet of things a reality the u. S. Says who away could be selling spies hidden in its hardware but the german chancellor so far has resisted pressure and rejected any ban here is what she said today by not in kind of neat we shouldnt take to exclude a company from the process but we shouldnt be blind we have to be aware of trust issues to deal with. Merkel is obviously walking a tight rope in 2016 china surpassed the u. S. Is germanys biggest trading partner and that gives china valuable leverage just a few days ago the Chinese Ambassador here in berlin threatened retaliation if who way is banned well threats they come more easily and more quickly than trust in an exclusive interview w. s in his poll spoke with the man at the top of her way she asked him about tech and trust more and more governments really expressing openly their concerns when it comes to trustworthiness and its pure knowledge regarding specially when theyre talking about building or when you want to build the 5 g. Net there are now within the power law in gas for pain as for 5 g. The world is now attaching more and more importance to it in the thanks to the hype from the us he says so why would the truth is that while waiting is leading in 5 g. Because we began investing heavily early on giving us competitive advantages in 5 g. Technologies here products and solutions in china thousands in which at the time can would you choose from whats happening which i find it continues people all around the world say how can we trust a company which can be forced by law to deliver information to the state. Now we shall. Help our one and make what id seen 1st and while way complies with all local laws and regulations in every country and region where we operate. Camejo really need they need a home 2nd incident while way only provides equipment and does not participate in Network Operations so we have no access to user data how you want or you mean i believe Different Countries and regions are capable of managing their Cyber Security and Data Protection concerns on their own is that india has a while one by one and im trying. So weve seen that drink all gone 3rd while waiting has made Cyber Security and Privacy Protection our top priority here we will we are regarded as the foundation of our Business Operations throughout the entire process from Product Design and manufacturing it to Service Provisioning belgian. Time can soon see its all a woman can cope with humans have been there for who can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now are we one way has never received any such requests during our operations over the past years and even if we received such requests in the future we would not agree to them as without any lawful requests so we wont do anything which will now woman. All right for more im joined tonight at the big table by verdi hes a member of the German Parliament for the social democrats and he is a supporter of banning who is going to have you on the show im going to ask you what do you hear when the head of who are away tells us that his company is committed to privacy and Data Protection but actually i believe its not about his companys trustworthiness its not describing what who i is but what the relationship between them and their government is where is he not being honest with us then about the power that beijing could potentially have over his company i dont know about honesty and ive talked to so many representatives some who in the last weeks or so. I trust them personally its not a personal distress not even connected to that company itself but then the system the system where this company has grown and which is based now on this is the peoples republic of china and obviously the government there can get involved any time they choose to how then do you explain the german chancellors stance she said today that shes not aware of any pressure from china although we know the ambassador you know has said in very clear terms that if you ban who away there will be consequences whether always consequence i dont see that as threatening or anything we are building on our sovereignty. Through technology so its digital sovereignty within europe i think europe has to be included because the 5 g. Project is too big for just one member state of the you can use or we try to build something but its about sovereignty and then it means we cannot rely on not trustworthy suppliers its that easy and you felt as a german lawmaker have you felt pressure from china or from who way no no no it was it was a tough argument though to try to to to convince us that this is the correct and right. Company and that its not worse than any other company and who was making that argument to you of course and i believe in the point its not the company itself it is their relationship to the Chinese Government or the potential relationship in the future what do they say i mean im sure youve asked them about that relationship what do they say about what the influence is not taking place today. And thats basically the basic line and the question isnt whether its happening today i trust them on that one more or less but the future is open and the future is open not in any technology but in the most its just strategically seen the most Important Technology of the 21st century as we know the 5 g. Will change everything and i was just so you cannot rely on something that might work in the future you have to be sure it has to was last week the spanish mobile phone Company Telefonica became the 1st company to say yes to who wave and when i just show our viewers here they sent a letter to all members of the German Parliament and it had the headline banning who way you could set the Network Rollout in germany backed by yours i mean thats some pretty hard and heavy lobbying right there i mean do you feel like you have been have you been lobbied or has been war i dont want to say threat but has it been strong or me thats been taking place with german lawmakers i dont know what youre talking about thats not tough love being thats the daily life and berlin so no thats a argument we dont we dont share it and thats that said we said a sign to the community to the Supplier Community that this is at stake in the german debate right now is that they should not rely on the trustworthiness on the law. Concerning why so they are taking their decisions and were taking ours its a pretty normal game there has been no pressure no no crazy arguments we are just concerned. About the future relationship of the Chinese Government to a china based High Tech Company there was there was some controversy within this Coalition Government about this and it seems that solidarity has been failed. Among the social democrats and the c. D. U. What what was the catalyst for that. I dont im not sure whether this is. A regular common issue between the parties i think it is something new because technology is a big part of it and politics as well so its it was a little complicated to get those 2 together technology wisdom and political strategy and it took us all a little time so social democrats are formally faster now but im pretty sure the that our conservative Coalition Partner they will come up with a with a solution to that pretty fast because we need it fast because investments have to be made right would you would you say that tonight that you and your christian Democrat Friends in parliament are you at odds with the chancellor on this i think at the end the good arguments for the digital sovereignty of this country of germany and the European Union will prevail its that easy im very convinced that at the end we will have a rule of trustworthiness in our law in our National Telecommunications bill that will rule out companies that are based in countries where the government could get into the business of their of their companies so you expect the chancellor to change your mind im not talking about the im just a making a suggestion what the end of the bill will be of the not what the chancellor will think 5 g. Is just one of 2 flashpoints here theres also the natural gas pipeline from russia to germany known as nord stream to the u. S. Is threatening sanctions if that pipeline goes online here is merkel again playing the eternal diplomat when she has to do. With policies of double trouble take a look. Next come up we have 3 known been against extraterritorial sanctions we have the same problem with iran in my opinion the only solution is to hold talks very decisive talks with against letting these extra territorial sanctions take effect. Once when you can see what mr ogrady are you preparing for sanctions. A me personally and know it well i mean germany you know but the the ones that are building the pipeline probably yes ok i want to expand the story across the atlantic were joined now by andrew adair hes a lawyer and a political consultant based here in berlin and washington he joins us from our studio in the u. S. Capitol tonight and youve been listening to this discussion about china and russia and germany give us their take the temperature force in washington at the moment what are they saying in washington about whats happening right here in europe. Well brant in terms of the north stream issue that you just raised. There is a bill now on the president s desk that requires him requires the administration to impose sanctions on the Ship Building Company that is completing the pipeline so theyre really if congress has basically thrown a hail mary pass if you will at the very last minute to try to disrupt this pipeline and theyve made it a mandatory sanctions so its really the ball is really in the president s court to push forward on that its really the question is how soon will he sign the bill and then after he signs it how soon will the Administration Act that timing is key because this pipeline is almost completed and now were talking about possible sanctions the Top Administration is really taking its own sweet time on this issue what does that. Whats interesting in this is an issue that congress is completely aligned on its almost almost unanimous they want to disrupt this pipeline and nominally it is the position of the Trump Administration to to be against the pipeline as well as you mention brant downtrend himself has made a lot of noise this year including in some conversations with chancellor merkel ambassador nels made a lot of noise about it but they have not actually pulled the trigger on sanctions so this is a ratcheting up if you will of the pressure to of congress saying mr president its time is up do the sanctions but he still could. Drag his heels its possible so is there still is some uncertainty there about whether he will indeed move forward mr video with the with our viewers know youre a member of the german u. S. Parliamentary Friendship Group you spend a lot of time in the United States what where do you think. Transatlantic relations are headed considering what were talking about tonight the role of china the role of russia getting in between ties between the u. S. In germany i dont know the north to issue is a big one so it has been with us for a long time know how mary pass as i understood it was coming at 200 miles before being finished yeah it is and i was done you know so i would say we oppose those sanctions of course we are allies we are friends so you dont put extra tauriel sanctions as the chancellor said on your partners and allies you just dont do that thats not a very constructive way to deal with each other i think that has been an issue about it not only between the United States and germany but also within germany there have been several approaches to that but now that the project comes to an end we have to be the ones on the side of the table that are making the right decisions for future relationships not only between the United States but germany. Also Poland Ukraine so theres more at stake about the relationship on the european continent and in the United States of course let me just as you do what do you advise your clients. To do with the business of the political environment being the way it is right now well ill say this i dont have any clients in this on the specific issue but if i were advising all scenes which is the name of the Company Building the pipeline you know i would tell them to get in front of the administration as quickly as possible and if i had to guess you know all cs is the owner is a billionaire from from holland and if i had to guess he has people talking to the administration right now to try to cool things down but on the flipside you know senator cruz who is the sponsor of the bill wrote a letter to the c. E. O. Of all cs today basically saying as soon as this bill is signed into law youre out of compliance and you are subject to sanctions so its a its a its a hot topic yeah itll be interesting to see when the president signs legislation if you see that this week you think the sanctions will come senator cruz announced today that the president will sign it this week so expect it to be signed this week all right and you were there in washington as Committee Member of the German Parliament here at the big table with me gentlemen to both of you thank you we appreciate it thank you so much thank you. Well the European Parliaments top accolade the annual sucker prize for freedom of thought has been given to weaker human rights activists toti the award was handed over in the European Parliament in strasbourg to his daughter because of what he couldnt be there hes currently serving a life sentence in prison in china on charges of separatism before his imprisonment in 2014 tony worked for more than 2 decades to improve the rights of the persecuted minority. Ilham tohti hasnt been seen in public for years this footage was filmed before he was jailed his fight for the rights of chinas predominantly Muslim Minority cost him his freedom for years he drew attention to the suffering of the weaker their restricted access to education in the labor market and the suppression of their language religion and culture. Theres no representative for us no newspaper of our own versions of what can ordinary people do when they meet injustice some of them will find in resistance for calm. In 2006 tohti himself wieder founded the internet portal weaker online to highlight the plight of the ethnic group the chinese authorities blocked the website repeatedly in 2014 toti was put on trial charged with separatism the former economics professor was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment in october the European Parliament awarded to the soccer off human rights prize describing him as a voice of moderation and re conciliation. But on your sack out of the parliament has decided to award the socket of prize for freedom of thought to talk to. He has done much to improve understanding between leaders and the han as the group in china has been put in prison for life. In the European Parliament expresses its full support for his work and wishes him to be released immediately by the chinese authorities. She. His arrest in 2014 was seen as a sign of a crackdown by Chinas Communist Party sense then reports of socalled reeducation camps have surfaced x. Prisoners speak of torture forced labor and mass rape around 1000000 weekers are thought to be detained in these camps. Was aware of these sakharov crimes on her fathers behalf today the there were you spoke to her head of the ceremony. When was the last time you heard from your father do you have any idea how hes doing now. The last time i saw my father in person with was 2013 and the last time i talked to my father was 2014 the last time i heard my father was to the other 17 which was also the last time my family was able to visit him and that was also the time when the socalled Radio Station exploded. Unfortunately i do not know how my father is doing i do not know if he is still being locked up in the same prison i dont know if he is doing ok physically mentally i dont even know if he is still alive so your father who told you was a ward of the cycle of prospero the European Parliament sends a strong message of solidarity but will this be enough what does it need for International Pressure to make a change. Letting the younger ration is being educated of what is going on helping those International Chinese students Chinese International students to gain awareness of what is going on inside their own country because many Chinese Government many Chinese Students have no idea this is happening to that we were community and with the chinese public and the news of propaganda videos a lot of them have no idea this is happening and they sometimes would blame us for overreacting given which i feel very its pathetic. And also putting sanctions on those companies who support the concentration camp who are. Importing as exporting from those concentration camps and also putting these restrictions on government Chinese Government officials who are supporting or who have helped making the decisions for the concentration camp could also be a very helpful helpful way chillum thank you very much for talking to you thank you. Music can be a powerful force in peoples lives tonight a song of inspiration from mexico a chorus of one committed teacher generous donors and dedicated children in unison theyve used the universal language to. Lift the spirits of People Living in poverty and orchestra for children who were never given a chance and. Its the moment just before the performance when excitement replaces nerves and the audience waits expectantly. This is Rosie Collins favorite moment but her journey here has been anything but easy. 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