Africas population is growing fast predictions say that by the year 2100 bill before point 5000000000 africans thats about a 3rd of the entire global population so we here in congo the most populous state in the most populous country in africa to find out how exactly that future will look for africa and id like to begin by asking my panelists a general question do you think that the population growth in africa will be a blessing if you believe so please raise your hand interesting do you think its going to be a species raise your hand. Oh wow so it looks like were really split 5050 lets see if its the same answer at the end of this debate its my i want to begin with you because you work for the Population Reference Bureau here should we trust these numbers are they accurate and where do they even come from for me the numbers are accurate because when you look at the investment the agencies like unicef are putting into interest such and i think you have no other reason than to accept this for statistics. Is something i have thought about but you dont trust your local government or you even your National Government figures you dont truly havent because youre only going to play this when its going to be. You know so the numbers might not be extremely precise but we know that africans are going to increase and i want to come to zeina because youre an advocate for children and adolescents and specifically against Child Marriage and i want to find out from you why do you think africans are increasing in population where the rest of the world the trend seems like theyre decreasing where because theyre not. Population is increasing day by day and were not doing anything about it. Precisely do not increase our. Brains. Age and. These. Ads. And let me come to you because you are working for an organization that actually deals with young boys who have been sort of abandoned or left by the wayside to what extent is overpopulation already affecting the state of congo yeah i think so many positive and also very many negative ways you know just like the working on which is the education. Ive been can you just explain to all of us who might not understand what is an out of marjories someone who travels from one point to another in search for koranic education that is what is so over time due to so many factors overall population inclusive you know this system has been abandoned by the government and the numbers are too high the children are too much so the infrastructure stretched and the moslems that is there to toss can no longer cutoff for you know the basic needs of them hence the turn into child street bagus yeah thats a very good description thank you for that assume mr director general were hearing that resource is a stretched thin are you feeling it when you are governing are you feeling that you dont have enough money to get to the last person enough schools enough hospitals indeed it is very true that facilities of us trenched at the moment we have 3000000 children in public primary schools this is aside the number we have in. Schools as well as schools to which means a little forms needed to my needs the education of these children and the government at the moment theres no top of these funds so if the government doesnt have money to take care of the people that it has right now how is nigeria going to take care of itself in the future zeinab i want to come back to you because i really want to get to the heart of this why then are we not we having 5. 7 children thats the average age of number of births paul woman in nigeria compared to one point something in europe why are we still having so many children if its not working if we cant afford it because we lack as an Access Department and i think you are a productive right and we are growing to leave without any need like make i said in the post list and also in. Some really just unconscionable pop does that is a pet sin that also because of the way they didnt do this the stem of my rage and the parmalee seized him all day not so all these contribute to debt you will find out that some even have to have the access but because of the culture i will. Be at touched they still holds on to dads so what does islam say about this islamic the number of people given area is thompson to do is the resources exist and there nigeria being one of the poor for less nation in africa has abundant resources that can for everton but we have been serious problem is management this is why things are going that we are seeing it. As far as religion is concerned you can have many children so long as you can take care of them all what are you trying to say in islam. That is the court has the will of the teton number of children that 1 may get because he his actions his books and what type you is welcome. To collate it that you cannot have a mistake in what. He says why eve you have to know much of the number of children if there is Good Governance there would be no problem let me come back to the director general of media at the Governors Office we are hearing that you are actually the reason why overpopulation could be a problem its not the number of people thats a problem its the fact that youre mismanaging the resources that are available. As a country. In terms of quality population data if you do a top quality population data there is noone we you can play for the people you misgovernance. Please rule in the type of population we have in the quality of population we have what do you mean the quality of population. Of quality population an educated. Population that can initiate ideas for the good of the general society let me come to most of because you have an initiative that sort of empowering young people with regard to this do we have the quality of people that the director general is talking about what i think we dont have quality people we dont have the quality we have everything absolutely poor people are too much of making noise or making the actions we produce the number of children. Because desist them does not provide that. If you come to Northern Nigeria you have over 1000 women dying just because. You dont have access to Health Facilities and that Family Planning a spade is one of the key thing that we must remember. Family planning is providing women to have the opportunity to space pregnancy from one delivery to another one so that she can be strong. But the major problem is that the government who is supposed to be actually in this in your research and in the Civil Society organizations who supposed to come together to be complementing the government effort the onus will be in part to actually call on the government is. To look hard disk issue its not about the Government Community people to parents have to role if you dont see every individual have a role to play in the community to make this change if we dont see that we continue having a gun between disown them part of this country developing on the northern part of politicians spent the more time frightened of the detriment of the future of young people and the ok so youve given me quite a number of points but i want to go to the in my media key because youve mentioned Family Planning and this sounds like its in contradiction to what your teachings are saying so weighs the balance between religion culture and really just being rational family for lenin islam is allowed when there are problems but it is not allowed when it is intentionally mad to check that we need the idea of let me how 2 people or 3 people relate how other people are doing in their culture is prohibited so youre not agreeing with this yes i am against the human is saying. Really john is saying gets as much as children they you want their religion says you can get children but you cant you cant get sued and you can get out for so i am against thats what the man is saying now you can have a lot of children yes i know muslims in the islamic it says we should have children who we can have the children and we can take care of them is again was a point of correction the what i said is almost contrary to what she said because i believe in islam islam does not allow you to marry more than what you can afford. You either. If you cannot even if you cannot marry one you are instructed to fast. But the issue of having law like they are seen they are trying to impose on those who are able to produce because a law is so generous. So this is what i want people to know this is why the law is having problem in house of assembly is National Assembly is because you come up with a law packed lead religiously accepted partly religiously not accepted so this is why if people are allowed to come up that will be in line was a religion even the issue of but surely should the law be secular it should be biased i mean unbiased so that it can be followed by people of war all walks of life we incur no we have the right to operate our according to the dictates of our culture and that cannot be in line with those who are not like this so this is way house of assembly is it going if you have us laws that has some contrasts in it cannot pass so what then happens if we continue to have all the number of children that we can and as we are hearing the resources are still not going to be available what next then the next is said Good Governance that is through Good Governance that we will report in now for resources to education if we put enough resources to education that will give sound education to people and will sound education we will be able to develop other sectors of life all right i just want to read a quote from mohammed so no see the 2nd who you all know here the enemy of can know and he was recently of the Un General Assembly and other side event he said and i quote the resources have shrunk and the population has increased youre not going to stop that by having government spend money youve got to address cultural attitudes what age to girls marry how many children do girls have how many wives do men have so hearing this from the emmy and hearing what youre telling me it sounds like youre speaking from 2 different pages exactly you know one thing going if you will be allowed was one child if there is mismanagement of resources you will end of import and employment and hungry so what. By the case maybe eve that lead to resources we have is mismanaged so no matter the number of children yourself ok so youre not agreeing with this. You see let me give us a very very disturbing statistics and account we have over 10000000 People Living in kind of state and out of that at 1000000 people in kind of state almost 3000000 children are out of school and out of that 3000000 lets keep this up at this one aside and talk about the number of unemployed youth we have over 3000000 unemployed youth in congo but go out and look at the number of marxists we have around and look at the number of just we have what we have almost 374 choices and kind of state we have almost 45154000 bucks im convinced it would be 50 functioning industries the center of Commerce Center of commerce we have 30000000 out of School Children kind of state but we have a government that went to far away china to collect a lot of almost 2000000000 not to abuse schools for these children but to be used as a treaty and you see in the end you know you have you have countered that in judea almost all 15000000 girls. I might get out before the age of 18 and 15000000 goes in yeah i mean the next year im going to put it under the 50000000 children what is the government doing for these kids it is known by everybody here that our government or the government of congress did recently declared free and compulsory education for every child from pretty basic to basic to Senior Secondary School there is a special focus on girls it is meant to give some amount of cash to parents of girls on condition that these girls will attend school continuously ok allow me to talk to because i know you talked about quality people who go through quality education and i heard it said that in some classrooms up to 400 pupils in one class so it can be Free Education but is it quality education we came to government about 4 years ago and met this situation and road we decided to devote a substantial amount of our budget to constructing additional classrooms in primary secondary and even intensity is true since this is an issue you will address gradually is there something that you can just say ok it was today let me construct 2 classes for all the children and let me ask you for that because were hearing the governor say the government is trying give us time maybe by the year 2030 itll be a ratio of one to 10 students in the classroom but by that time more children are being born one of the immediate risks yeah the media interest car of yours that is why we have. You know a chunk of number for young people abusing drugs that is why we have so many unemployed youth and some of the things i feel the government needs to do is 1st of all start to cop corruption. Because i dont agree that we dont have enough resources in nigeria and kind of is just that the way it was there is losses up or down you know along the line every at every Office Something would be caught out so you see by the time it comes down to implementation you will not see any impact. By the government to stop thinking out of the box there are so many opportunities that we work in. A scene you know advising the government to latch on to this you know in terms of funding Technical Support but thats because were looking at now and the future where then should we had let me speak to him 1st so i think. It depends on do with. Government is. The government agreement with. Him for example in china. And the most important part of. The most important thing. We were half expansion mystic market investment in. To the issue is just. Unfair what. Id like to come to you because were talking about having children and i want to understand to what degree do women have the agency not necessary for Family Planning but even to space their children how much of a say do women have in this country actually i do think they have because i just had a v. B. 5 months ago so i. And there were like 200 women in the queue so i was like my husband and i decided to space you know to perth and i like lets go and check out the child spacing unit honestly. 5 to 6 women and out of that 5 to 6 women i think 3 of them came on their own but the hospital said they have to bring the husband. From you signed that he has agreed you know for them to do this piecing. I dont you know maybe its. When you talk about these issues. Because of the. Big. The society im not in disagreement. And just say it like when they are talking about education because. Educated all these issues will go down so they are not have actually because when they Say Something we have been yelling things when we. Realize it is realize. Its not even sustainable because. If you go see young guys will be getting the video and its like 1415 even if. It was caught up and it was good might even if you said there. You go to the streets a lot of young girls going to see we. Dont get the opportunity to complete its. All these problems and they are not even making any effort to have a bill. Of rights act so that it will address at least. The educational ok let me come to the director general because you spoke directly to him that the idea of Free Education is really incompatible with whats happening right now because youre not even addressing things like Child Marriage. Indeed things like child murders showed when i mentioned that we have this arrangement we are supported by the d. F. Id the condition of the grand scheme where we give monies to purchase of goes to allow them to continue their education to secondary school level let me find out what is that what it will consequences if a parent is found to have given their child out for marriage when theyre too young you refused to take your child to education. Process would be. About the legal process. Im not a lawyer. And you dont even i thought it would be like a well known law but ok i want to come back to because i oh yeah so might my worry here is this set of women that i met a woman at the child spacing unit she said shes 31 years old she came without without her husband and she was like please come my husband write the letter for her and signed so i should just give it to them i was like no way why i like whats happening like shes 39 and the last prez she had she had she had complications and shes just tired she has 8 children so she doesnt want to you know do it anymore but the husband is and is insistent that she has to do it again and his salary is just 15000. 00 naira a month so. Its not even realistic so my worry is what is going to happen to this set of women because a lot of them out there the i tired they are sick but the husbands which are not even able to take care of them still want them to keep giving birth. To let me just quickly. We dont have permission because by definition a concept of a population is when the population country or a place is great. So if you look at for example glenda my. We have for agriculture a lot of opportunities and then the other part of it is not. Demand speaks about a lot about Family Planning. By the way of you having the moment which is actually right is not against that what is some of the. If it is for the improvement of the health of your mother because by the time when is pregnant no and then she give birth to the after 3 months 4 months she could become pregnant the body is not back to its normal and this is where we have many months on maternity in Northern Nigeria so i think is now time for us to start coming together government sponsibility is not only law but implementing the people that are closed doors that we elected were presenting was presented to from history to decide if you would and im looking forward to see that we are calling them back on them to see distance what we want guys if not next number 2 to 3 is not going to be taken you know we are going to impeach you and dump you imprison so why havent you done that already because nigeria has been independent for many years because do it would to do it would succeed in dividing the whole population of the young people people to do this Political Group and then you see the other one when by themselves calling themselves the includes themselves many many dead to descend girlfriends sort of descend out of syria ok ok one second cliff i want to come to you because i read something you said that the mindset of north of nigeria is about 200. 00 or 3 years old it needs it needs to be updated ok what can we do then to change this might set so that the number of young people who are coming into the population a productive innovative all these things were talking about we have to. You know from thinking. From thinking that ok if im poor i married out of the wife to knowing that im responsible for my family for their clothes for what they eat on where they live you know and after that we have to also encouraged. Young people to not do as good through formal schools you know busy to education is ok so let me give you a story just like this. The risks are too high they are too high that is why you see you know crime you see violence kidnapping bundy tree you know that is where you see all these things and i think it has a lot to do with population but it also has a lot to do with orientation because. Hows that rick linked with population so i think this 2 things out have to be done because this risk are too high and you know the danger is too much real intimate like to come back to you. Allow me to ask what would happen if the government of Nigeria Today the federal government said that the problem of population growth is to begin nigeria and we now have to cap the number of children to one per woman without work. Is is just an assumption. The question is based on assumption yes of course but im asking you is this something that you think could work in nigeria in cannes or even in africa it will walk somewhere and it will not work somewhere reduce my prediction is. That. People that is a line with their culture and believe will accept and those that see it as negative will reject this is my assumption its one who we were able to do one thing that is empower and creates awareness and 1000 to get them education because this i had people that ive given but so if you give them a when is that if you need this is the quince appliances that will happen if there is a population crisis in the country so its not for you to lead that type of the number of children that youre going to be given back to you can talk to the husband look im not able to get married because of im not ready to go but because of my Health Condition because you can enlighten them even to people in the areas and once and so information for you is what would they mom is refusing but im not going to stay there because i dont want to start a war i would like to ask the question i started with is the population growth in africa were talking about 4000000000 people in the year 2100 is that going to be a blessing who agrees. Is it going to be a curse. It looks like this debate has not swayed anyone left or right i wonder what do you think its been a very exciting debate here in ca no im edith kimani thank you for watching. Take it personally its a wonderful feeling story that made it so special. For. 30 minutes on d w. R r what theyre after the more opposed to gets the better. The socalled selfie generation is. Breaking taboos and taking part in a survey challenges for likes. To believe only those who love online make it in real life like me. In 75 minutes douglas. Show hello flings this is your balls speaking when i come to the show with a ding dong xoai and concerts with the instruments guests live in silence. Then incredible location play. Welcome tonight lives every week long w. Live. Play play play play. Play. Play play. Play play christmas. This is the w. 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