To janet had zogby is a film legend the german director has made over 70 films ranging from art house to big hollywood productions hes traveled to the ends of the earth and peered into the depths of the human soul. He mentions that movie the most. Hes created iconic characters to images in feature films and documentaries. Always searching for a deeper truth his perspective is investigative and radically subjective van i have song the adventurer. We met up with this great cinematic storyteller in munich where his story began. When did it become clear to you that you had to and could make films. When i was around 14 or 15 years old when various things happened at the same time which made my fate apparent to me. Among them was that i would make films that i was also a kind of poet. The. And it was always clear to me that i would do this better than others. It was also clear that since i knew little about film and it seemed almost nothing i would have to invent the cinema myself. Machine. Very 1st feature film was a declaration of war on the triviality of postwar german cinema. And this anarchic surreal and disturbing drama about towards raising a riot at a correctional facility caused controversy upon its release in 1970. Showing the point of view of outsiders and people on society its fringes became hets ogs trademark. In 197900. 00 least nosferatu his all mushed f. W. Moore now silent film classic much more than a remake it was his 1st Big International production but now it is old and could be dirty. But its good if you play it personally. Please let me do it its you. Forget it its hardly worth mentioning just a little cut. Even you know as i feel youve lived in los angeles in the heart of the dream factory for many years. Youve said you dont really feel part of the german film scene but in the us you enjoy a cult status as a bavarian in Hollywood Hollywood who regard. Since for since even become familiar cult status is a term you should only touch with pincers but it gets really wild when i show up in brazil for example or in russia poland ireland or algeria all hell breaks loose when i show up there with films. You say im part of the city with a dream factory but no im not part of it. And i dont really belong to german film either. I actually belong to something more regional to the variant films from the baroque in the world weary so thats why i sometimes say that apart from me. The 2nd would have been the only person able to make a pitch car although its going to do more who couldnt. Fitzcarraldo is the story of an eccentric adventurer aiming to build an opera house in the amazon rain forest. Fitzcarraldo was a visionary with a mission. Yes but he felt that judging what he was doing and. Someone who is prepared to defy gravity to realize his lifes dream pushing boundaries is a constant theme and hertz all this work. Is ending if youve been in extreme environments extreme situations what drives you to this day to seek out these extremes. I dont actually see counter extremes rather i consider what i do to be normal. People are always saying shooting in the amazon rain forest is so extreme. But look its just a forest. This is so cool invite it. Cats all return to the jungle again for the vietnam war drama rescued on. That was a big american production but headstrong is also a nonconformist in hollywood. With the will of his out. There. And a passion for unhinged characters. And yes. Called bad lieutenant of a very in film theres so much from the wild and baroque. Wilder than the wildest drinkers and october fest really goes to extremes and. Go back to the big. Surely guess what full soul still dancing. See how you never went to film school thank goodness see how you dont think much of them schools why. We decided. I think theyre completely misconceived. And basically poor film students are cooped up there for way too long. For 3 or 4 years. In 3 or 4 years they could shoot 3 features instead of sitting around theyre learning film theory or other such nonsense so. They can learn everything they need to know in a week. Everything else is technical. Could be left to the technicians. Here you can learn about filmmaking from veron or have online. Instrumentals to cowards. But theres more. I found at the road film school. It was designed to be the exact opposite of everything youd normally learn in film school. There are only 2 things i tell people theyre really learn. The 1st time out or pick a safety lock using a surgical instrument. And 2nd how to fake a filming permit and not get caught. In. Recently ive switched to doing more workshops. Are just as something in the amazon rain forest in peru. And in the 1st minute of the 1st meeting i said the topic of your show. The framework is delirium in the jungle. See what you can come up with and deliver the results in 9 days time and some great films came out of it. A good hour the wrath of god was also shot in the south american jungle if the tale of a 16th century spanish conquistador searching for. This feverish drama tackles imperialism greed and meddling mania shot in documentary style it follows a good day on its historical suicide mission. Thanks. In the end klaus kinski goes mad in a scene that wrote film history that. Ott. Yes it was. A good day and later fitzcarraldo already made headlines during shooting largely due to the unpredictable lead actor klaus kinski he made 5 films with hats on the works through their productive love hate relationship in a documentary. They dont much about but were going to feel as though were going to talk about it more than it. Was yeah it was not a small yorks didnt talk to us about the document but then because of that you know time. For. Us to talk i was not looking so i thought 1st i thought i didnt want to join the Sport Committee and im the president can. And can be sucked into it i think and the 2nd night and got this feeling. In the last in the last in here. Are there still actors as extreme as class kinski was. He intended instance extreme i dont consider him extreme. He was kinski and in a certain sense he was a singular figure but he wasnt the best actor i worked with. The deepest and best one was bruno s who played the title roles in costume house. Ive worked with the worlds best with christian bale. Nicolas cage nicole kidman. Tom cruise. Is there and no one. Not any one of them. Ever came close to porno as is depp the charisma. I or his ability to convey isolation then paresi off to write this blog that was likely due to his real life fake musicianship practically 23 years from his childhood onwards he kept getting put away in correctional institutions and later in jail and in other places where he didnt belong. There. I mean my. View in this would be to settle your victim thing she did loose a little. Bit on the side that didnt hide him and think its. Just listening to stuff and the clip just least oh my goodness is the. Listener z. B. Not just a fairly good. There are others who have similar biographies but who dont have the depth and presence on screen that porno s. Did. Pales in comparison. As does nicholas cage. And tom cruise to. Work with tom cruise on the Action Thriller jack reacher but this time had stood in front of the camera playing an evil gang leader i. Spent my 1st winter. Coat holding. Pace for the frostbite turned green. The housing to how did you manage to be that evil. Or was it was effortless totally effortless work. So i didnt have to do a screen test and i knew that i could do it with. I earned good money for being terrifying on screen. Actually so. Many other states not. Then i have saw god has his own unique perspective on the world and people his documentaries also focus on eccentric obsessive types like fanatical Animal Rights activist Timothy Treadwell. Im here with one of my favorite pairs expressed a chocolate iris chocolate has been with me for the grizzly man spent his summers in alaska and lost all sense of distance between himself and the bears the most out there i will die for these animals how sorry i am now that we are all in the end he was himself killed by a bear. On my mind. During the most go after treadwells death in 2003 hertz og followed his trail right to the bitter end. Escaped and. Taught from Timothy Treadwell there is an audio recording of the death of Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend. Libby both of them were eaten by a bear eaten alive piece by piece allow you to say and the distributors and producers absolutely want to disregarding to be in the film and so i said ok ill listen to it. And i listened to it and it was so incredibly horrifying that i said only over my dead body will this make it into the film you come to see and feel can turn into. It. Too must never listen to this i never heard her ever go into you. Think you know you should not keep it you should destroy it you know. Its anything she can say and so incensed ethical boundary individually toward because the dignity and the privacy surrounding an individuals death must not be violated. Period period perfect. Yet hair didnt shy away from interviewing condemned prisoners awaiting execution for as many series on death row. As a chairman coming from a different historical background and being a guest in the United States i respectfully disagree with the practice of Capital Punishment has helped me move off ive watched several episodes of your series on death row what boundaries were you confronted with there. When c. Its mentioned and told us when you talk with and film people on death row with people who know that theyre going to be executed in 8 days and that theres no escaping that. Then of course there are certain boundaries there. Respect respect dignity. Due to respect the condemned persons human dignity. Same spar and this is one of them. In order to film a death row inmate you have to be invited by him in writing. I was behind the camera you only ever hear my voice and behind the camera i wore a formal suit in time which i almost never do with it was a sign i respect you respect. They were always very open with you. From the very 1st moment and. Thats a question of how you work as a director. You can only do that if you know the heart of men and if you can look deep into their souls then it works. Looking at your films the boundaries between documentary and feature film are really fluid. Do you still differentiate between them oh sure theres a big difference which i also recognize. But i dont worry about it for me theyre all films there was a. You once said facts do not constitute truth per se. In this age of the internet and fake news whats the truth beyond the facts that you seek. If you have the facts can be misleading truth is created or certain layers deeper layers are created through stylization through invention through imagination. The supposedly realistic picture often seen in documentaries is a misconception. Which is why i say i invent things too because they serve the truth better than the found. In folk. Back in south america again in the impenetrable tropical rain forest of guyana against the spectacular backdrop of chi to a falls a mythical location for the indigenous population. This is where hats augment the White Diamond a documentary about dreams and the limitations of technology. The dream of flying a floating above the earth here to hertz all dared to experiment. In that case we had the music 1st. So in the rain forest the camera man asked me how are you going to do it with the rhythm in the shoot at center on my given headphones and said listen. This is how well do it would be understood immediately. Else right there goes music evokes the beauty of nature and its vulnerability. The seemed im the type me all there were one and a half 1000000 swifts which came out of the sky in a huge swarm and flew in circular movements into their nests behind a huge waterfall. Goodness and it was overwhelming. And the music is equally overwhelming. This one sided these who 1st raised the singers were sardinians who almost all have prehistoric voices. And they started singing with far too much energy and the meter was far too clear. And i stood up and made flying movements for them and they understood. And suddenly the movement became that of an eagle gliding from sri up. In hats oggs films music itself is often a performer such as in the chauvet cave where dry so goes music brings the prehistoric paintings to life. In 2019 the vendor had sought Foundation Awarded a prize or i said he was praised for creating spaces with his music that were larger than what could be seen on the screen. That is so im sick of doing this here new news in extraordinary visionary. 2 in the log he admitted hes able to transform an entire world with music and to transform a world of images and suddenly you the combination of music and images gives rise to something new and different that the audience can perceive and experience in a different way. Than i have towards relationship with music is a story of its own. He has also staged many operas going back to wagner again and again his 1st time was knowing playing at the by a white festival in 1987. Many of your colleagues vendors last frontier were also supposed to direct and buy rights but they shied away from doing it whats so difficult about staging wagner is that he can help operates according to different rules. Film directors cant expect to use the same criteria and the same working methods as they do in the cinema that was always clear so i told the singers and the others that we had to forget that i were controlling this i said that we had a task and that there would only be an opera when the whole world transformed into music and see the belt in music from it. So that some fear back to film youve been in some very extreme places in the mountains in the amazon under water in the desert on the ice caps is there anything else that youre still seeking or that youd like to explore more. Id like to go to the space station or to the moon. Or id like to make a short visit to mars if that ever becomes possible mobs in this and. This is bavaria still your home even though you havent lived here for 20 years. Seen many of my Cultural Roots are here my 1st language was a very and i miss it actually. You know when im traveling around the world i miss the fact that i never hear bavarian dialect being spoken. Ish understand it isnt in that of it its a talk list consensus and. Just go to its i think its none to it it. Was some day miss the tumbling of the earth apocalyptic imagery more than 50 years after launching his career cats are still seed soul schemes on the edges of the planet. He said they plans to burst forth he could carry this country out doing. His model of you have been winning prizes for your Lifetime Achievement for 10 years now this time its from the european film academy. How does that feel. So next time i mean if you distances go taste well to begin with i think its true task is really and of course its a little strange because im still in the middle of my work. And now my output is higher than it was 30 or 40 years ago but i think. Last year i made 3 films but i. Know others need 6 to 8 years to do that. The day before yesterday i was still shooting in norway on a new film and in less than a week ill be in mexico to continue it. Isnt so much to get this prize 10 years after i stopped making films that have to be rolled onto the stage in a wheelchair. You ordered 12 it that i helped thank you its part of the pleasure nato. Supply routes. Lol blame it. On the constant see revealed hidden talents. Mr top. Of last. Post and now im going affectionately asian but affectionately as you can. 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