Those woman back home put down by them do things and social rules and inform them about deadbeats and writes my name is the amount of people who and i work at speed a. Match day 12 so some of the big guns disappoints the minnows cause an upset or 2 and the others well it is business as usual this is what we have coming up for you on the show today. Well bring you the highlights from sundays match as well as bergen has about backlit outs and their rights and a windfall from against mines will see the reach the top 4. And will take an indepth look at goldmans crisis players and officials were booed as they arrived at the clubs a. G. M. Things arent rosy and this seems to be more uncertainty on the horizon. Welcome to the bundesliga here on the w. I. Mechanic line joining me in the studio for the breakdown of match day 122 of the buttons that is top members to my right and thats a candy red corner Jonathan Crane and to my left joining me in the wind right corner is max merrill. Before we get into the nitty gritty of todays match day lets go to hoffenheim now they missed the chance to go 4th off they were thrashed 51 home against mines. The visitors had played more than 45 minutes with 10 men after reading the back who was sent off for his dangerous travels as you see here but they still tore the home side apart going to know that soon enough the hard time thanks to a bizarre goal from pavel caught a shot back in the ghost cat 5 in total pickling them along completing his brace and the 51. 00 rout of the last kick of the game remember this is his 1st game in charge and wants a way to start his tenure in months. The next match we have in store for you it seems has a built in travel to both sides stuck in the boss and off the table and lagging behind their own expectations the pressure especially especially palpable in berlin has failed to take the club forward since his appointment this clash against is make or break. On to show of it was under pressure his berliners hadnt won in 4 outings opponents Martin Schmidt and outs borg were in even deeper water but soon wipe the smile off the head coachs face Phillip Maxwell the free kick in the 17th minute no one touched it and it bounced freely into the net to make it one nil. 9 minutes later berlin keep it on a yosh john got tangled up with florian needle and the ball fell just said joe could have doubled outwards lead. And to make matters worse yosh john was sent off for lunging at the venezuelan. Substitute keeper denish marsh then made his 1st appearance and early in the 2nd half he conceded his 1st league goal andre with way too much space and a bit of luck 3 nil for outboard. And 10 minutes before the end cut hair to flat footed with a cleverly disguised free kick which media lesnar slotted home for neil the final score and the heat will only be turned up on. With all 9 matches in the bag lets take a look at the table. Lead at the top shrinks the only change on sunday though is they drop to 8 to the inferior goal difference the boss the winner in the boston however an outspoken lights they will move up the losers however they will be looking taking a long hard look at themselves after this weekend talking about heads but they need us dive into the berlin football bubble the did the developing story here is that say i mean they are the established team in the bundesliga but theyre behind you in the team weve got just 12 top flight games under their belts jonathan how does this happen to hit and how it happened so quickly i wouldnt say quickly i think theyve been stuck in a rut for quite a while the renowned for their inconsistency and while their hats are its going to be the new kids on the block the kind of underdog reveling in their giant status so yeah competitive. You know they are pretty exciting they have a clear identity which is something that critics accuse hatcher of lacking but look who really can as about identity its all about wins as far as im concerned you can have a lack of identity as long as youre winning had to dont have that number of 5 in a row the player is just performing too many silly mistakes and i just think cherry which is not good enough is out of his depth. Yet so one so improve one of the things they want to do is build their own state and they want to move out of the Olympic Stadium it is too big for them they say but with this pool of stacia theyd be well more about that say a relegation battle yeah i think so and i mean on your own the difference there is theres less pressure on them i think and the expectation for has it was fairly big they broke the transfer Record Record this summer and michelle plates the sporting director ahead of this match said this isnt the last chance but show bitch but i mean after that kind of defeat you have to think hes going to be taking a very hard long look when they went to childress i was very confused i thought this is their chance to take that next step and i agree so it looks a bit out of his depth the defense is all at sea and theres not a Single Player in the squad who scored more than 3 because your goal is to see they have the money to attract if they have big main coach you know you look forward to january and you think ok can we bring in some players what players going to want to join when theyre in the state theyre in currently you want from the track theres good players even though i have to have you know said anything about that coach a team which you know that you have to stop thinking about the coaches dont and this is the big talking point at the moment so both of you dont understand is it going to continue and is this real existence and will football overreaction yeah i worry a little bit because i think we look at the defensive issues this season its kind of reminiscent of bush who he replaced and was kind of meant to shore up the defense they kind of did that last season but now theyre the worst offense in the in the top 7 and they just mentally just dont look Strong Enough they dont look like a team who have that Killer Instinct when its not so its bizarre because you see them against prada born on friday complete disaster in the 1st off they seem to break out in a cold sweat every time they come up against a team of languishing throws the ball from the table teams you think theyre going to be able to be easily and then just a manager which is why on sunday i want to bring you some footage from the cubs a. G. M. There were 1600 members in the building and they really was half a listen to this. And listening in the place and sometimes even shouting shame on you and. I quite incredible volatiles atmosphere to say the least c. E. O. And so i had his say on fast future when he took to the podium. This again last lucianne why dont you continue to enjoy our trust. Is this one thing is clear and youve been in for far long time like many of us here in the end football is always defined by results. You know this if you get 4 years and bunch here you all must go into these next 2 difficult games in barcelona am berlin with the right attitude. Now you have to step up we are still brucia dortmund you have to show that about you but i dont find that statement convincing at all as soon as he said but max. That was it for me i mean ignore the fact theyre playing by the next weekend the big game is of course against barcelona but not just seems like a stay of execution and bosler at the camp nou i mean come on yeah i mean i think like like he said its mostly about the attitude i mentioned the defense before we heard from him there and i think thats really the issue they have to start those games ball slow and against berlin in the right way and what i mean there is not conceding the goals theyve done that 6 times this season in the bundesliga alone and look at the teams theyve done it against i mean outspoken the 1st minute braman in the 7th minute part of born on friday in the 5th minute its all well and good saying no against interim part of born you know they turned around at half time i dont really think thats fall for giving a rousing speech in the dressing room hes not that type of manager i think i think its just not awake those not that intensity that they need to have the worst offense in the top 7 like i mentioned and i just think at the moment dortmund are really not a team that like i said earlier on they said at the start the season were going to go for the tide so i dont look like that so as you know when theyre in 7th position i mean one thing which i see the problem domain is the fact that theres always the shadow of club looming over this club when hines is easy behind me his behind this is and this is how they must feel at goldman it must be why is that i mean he had he was successful but when big coaches leave a club somehow the success it doesnt seem to be able to to achieve the expectations that they have and so that my nights with Alex Ferguson for example close to home in the bundesliga we saw a Pep Guardiola by him he had 3 great seasons here and then it was over is it time to build and finally get over it look im a nothing and forth on some i know what about clubs grin on for former glories brian kroft is there are gold in the red part of north is understandable crop is so rich. Vigilante reenergized that crap brought back their former glories but actually father himself has said hes a tough act to follow if we look at the numbers though surprisingly and this might surprise a lot of people actually father has a better record than the club we can see here you know club has had 380. 00 games in charge 57 percent was his win percentage father ok and the 64. 00 games are all full and brain enjoyment but 61 percent say so when percentage i think the problem for a fiver is its actually been the manner of those defeats among those draws where they just havent convinced and the way the players have been so i can only look they just looked shaky against low opposition as you mentioned previously and clucked really never had that kind of money that father has been able to spend this summer and i think we will back him but i think theyve already backed him quite a lot already i think its a bit wimpy actually from vets just get rid of the guy now put him out of his misery because trying to get something from buffalo interest probably going to be like getting blood from a star and its not going to be that easy and i think you just want someone that comes in and kind of appreciates the history appreciates where the club has been but is Strong Enough to motor club in their own image so lets say if it does stay what is a stake the Development Well i think one factor that hasnt really been spoken about too much is the squad and specifically this man here Jason Sanchez who is their most valuable asset you have you can argue about who the most important player is but you know hes a 19 year old guy whos setting the world alight last season and also early on this season and he according to a report on sunday felt humiliated and scapegoated in recent weeks it started with a suspension after you returned late in october from an International Break and then we can see here the substitution against by in that dreadful loss i mean he was subbed just after the half hour mark now he doesnt look like a player whos throwing a stroke and we have to say you know he shakes the hand of his of his player and hes not really throwing his gloves down on the ground but. You know were hearing out of his camp that hes not happy it was said that he wont agitate for a move in january i dont think he will but i can see that him staying beyond this season and thats kind of whats at stake here i think as well because a farmer stays i dont really see sanchez thing weve done the time left and one thing which when you have to ask is next season should they be looking at a coach whos now in the market lets say much i would say put you know i think 14 or would be a great fit for dortmund new nick are also interested if its between that say hes going to munich im afraid about you max i think he fits better at dortmund but i agree thats probably the more attractive proposition maybe even go for a little oh ok well well have to see next time were back you know if it is well that wasnt the next season thats thats full time sorry jonathan im not thank you for both being here and going to get back next week from all of us here but then thank you and goodbye. 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