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Sufficient. It is not clear that the oral testimony which was given by the accuser has weakened. Memorise fate for natural reasons. That full at have to cited that the evidence is not Strong Enough to continue pursuing an indictment. Also coming up earlier this year a french judge ruled in favor of a rooster in a noise complaint snell the defendant is a duck will the same justice applied to birds of a different father. I dont think im that well so these ducks are a problem my ducks make new ones. And this bothers the neighborhood of one. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day in which the 2 cases against julian the songs became the one kid so against julian of songe the world knows the songs as the founder of wiki leaks and the man accused by the u. S. Of helping carry out one of the biggest leaks of classified documents in history but there is a 2nd legal case against dishonest make that there was a 2nd case in 2012 women in sweden accused of songe of rape and Sexual Assault a staunch spent almost a decade avoiding extradition to sweden from the u. K. Because he feared that sweden would then hand him over to the u. S. Or today sweden drop is investigation the prosecutor saying that too much time has passed with sweden out of the picture that makes the legal question surrounding a songe simpler for the u. K. The United States wants britain to hand over a songe to face charges connected to that major leak of classified documents a songe says that he is protected by the 1st amendment right to free speech in the u. S. But washington says he broke the wall. This is how his sentence began this may Julian Assange we storm a courthouse after a judge refused his plea to stay free the wiki leaks founder had cleaned himself up since British Police tracked him from the Ecuadorian Embassy just weeks earlier. Outside the Court Supporters were vocal in their anger at the sentence many see as someone shes a hero for exposing abuses of power and championing free speach. The case against the songs in britain arose when 2 swedish women accused him of Sexual Assault and rape in 2010 a song sought refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy afraid that sweden could extradite him to the u. S. He faced prosecution that the wiki leaks release of millions of classified documents since his sentence started in britain as on shes lawyers have turned their attention to the u. S. Extradition request authorities there have charged him with conspiring to break into a pentagon Computer System this case is and has always been about the risk of extradition to the United States. Weve been saying since 2010 that risk is real and we now have a provisional extradition requests from the United States. Its a battle a song shes been fighting for months from prison but fighting extradition could take much longer. And for more im joined tonight by Joshua Rosenberg hughes a british legal commentator he joins us from cambridge in england mr rosenberg its good to have you on the program id like to get your take on what happened today after 9 years we hear from swedish prosecutors that the evidence is too weak what do you make of their. Its not the story just because the evidence doesnt change what a person say it is she wants to enter besides the injured party thats the 1st plane of social assault has submitted a credible and reliable version of events about the state statements of the extensive detail but this prosecutor but my overall assessment gives the if additional situation has been weakened to such an extent but there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation i suppose what the prosecutors say is that memories fade bents alleged many years ago now and sweetness we know has statutes of limitation in other words it would continue to prosecute after a certain amount of time and 6 spot so maybe thats the thinking behind it that it would be difficult to get the big shot off of this time but let me ask you this i mean maybe maybe swedish law is different from u. K. Law in this matter but the depositions that the the 2 women gave back in 2010 isnt that used in the can use regardless if its 3 years have passed in 5 years of past me wouldnt the deposition be just as good today as it was 9 years ago as long as the statute of limitations has run out. Thats a very fair point and the statute of limitations knock visually run out but you would expect that the witnesses would be cool to give oral evidence we would expect that they would be crossexamined and that perhaps is more difficult but maybe theres another point i dont think it as you report it like Julian Assange did in prison he served prison sentence here in the u. K. For jumping bail for not surrendering bail and he was sentenced today to us for that but he more of a just standing extradition to the United States. Illegally the swedish will say to you that any prison sentence. In london the squinting the possibility of extradition would count towards any prison sentence in might get if he were to be sent this week in other words this a aps option and you say pending extradition. How do you see what do you what do you see the whitely hood of him being extradited to the u. S. Is being do you think that he will be sent to america. Certainly the chance is being sent to United States critiques and the reason for that is that until today there were 2 extradition requests before the british got one im sick critic has to decide and while most receiving one from was from the United States the only secure state has to decide which one to give her 2 additional its entirely clear whether the government would have said well sweden on its 1st sweden or maybe the charges and i could state greece and the. States that problem has got away because its now only one expression was now certainly thats a good challenge to the court to the senate but its only one request and question whether he can this week what would happen if he sort of said sweet would you then good states and thats all gone im like for you to just take a listen to part of what the editor in chief of wiki leaks has said about the case against Julian Assange in the United States take a listen. Junos lawyers. Some today they want to talk to you. But this patient peters mr touchett should be. And on the basis of an International Treaty or a bilateral treaty between the United States and the United Kingdom the treaty actually between treaty which basically states that you cannot actually died in it but you put a political offense and thats exactly what is being done here and its shameful that we select we spending time in court mr rosenberg how do you see this he said that what Julian Assange is accused of is a political offense the United States says that he is guilty of espionage and leaking classified material that is certainly not more than a political offense in the eyes of the United States how do you as a u. K. Law expert how do you see it. Well obviously this is something thats going to be all of you doubt the cold you know educated in this hearing states the february before book cool that has to decide with the experience youre going to this is one of the arguments it may well go to a higher court it may take some months to get this it may go back to the United Kingdom Supreme Court but you can see why es arguing its political and you can see why the United States its all good but its not political this is simply a criminal offense this is breaking we have an official secrets act here in this country islamic countries too in other words restrictions on providing tax audit station to the public so that is a question that is going to be out you know its a perfectly legitimate question and they are going to come down with the policy and switch sides votes will get it but it is all given to the scientists will quote it but i dont think that the sweet cools here in the United Kingdom but it should not be its like United States mr aznar before we let you go i want to ask you on one more question and in this age of braggs it with breaks it about whats finally take place knowing that the United States wants julius on to be extradited. Do you think that that reduces the likelihood that the u. K. Would ever decide not to extradite him i mean do you see the politics of brechts it influencing this legal decision. No i dont think so there are certainly cases where the British Government business as refuse to sit with somebody for trial it states people suffering from mental difficulties for example that it was a computer it was said. And you can see circumstances in we wouldnt be appropriate to do so and its rich it used to be that joint legal political d purpose was but expression now as well else all its issues its that they ultimately up to the last minute but its very much illegal practices and im sure that the government whichever government is elected off of the current general election whatever happens to bricks it the government wait and see what the courts say the courts say this is not political its perfectly possible for it to be its not to be very surprised if you get the biggest moments of the decision its. Just rosenberg british legal commentator joining us tonight from cambridge and in the mysteries where we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you. In the multinational staff niggly was known as a one woman week you meeks for her work highlighting corruption in malta and its long been speculated that her murder 2 years ago was because of her investigative work when el maltese Prime Minister in terms of moscato has said that he will guarantee a president ial pardon for a man arrested last week and that man says that he knows who killed death really. And the Prime Minister said that the pardon is dependent on the subject cooperating with the Murder Investigation take a listen. That literally and even if it might come i signed this lets and one person on the face of this person does have the assurance that if they collaborate with the police and the information they keep is sufficient to prosecute the mastermind of this crime and this person will get a president ial pardon as a matter of presidency. Well at that press conference a reporter asked about alleged links between the ringleaders on the murder and the government of the Prime Minister take a listen running this it might be sure to discuss the name on the show if you know if the mosque in mind is sort of and found to have business relations with anyone in your cabinet or a member of stuff with as they do feel government and at the moment to food on the plate and i think that i would be really jumping the gun ok yeah its you jumping the gun to talk about that and a lot more im joined now by Keith Mcauliffe hes journalist for the times of malta joining us tonight from the lead to malta the times the newspaper that 1st reported this story its good to have you on the show kids let me leave to go to what that reporter asked the Prime Minister saying ill give this man a pardon him if he cooperates that you would assume means that the Prime Minister is confident that whatever this man says is not going to implicate the Prime Minister or his inner circle right. Word thats what we believe it but the Prime Minister was also very keen to state this is not going to be a blanket president ial pardon the Prime Minister said he himself admitted that hes not very fond of president ial pardons were difference to one particular case a symbol to decade of own drug thinking where the expectation was given a president ial pardon but his evidence wasnt enough to incriminate the suspect so joseph the Prime Minister has always been very skeptical about president ial pardons indeed it has been quite a surprise this development in the british Prime Ministers test quite a lot this morning and speaking out soon it was before a Cabinet Meeting that he would be giving the president ial pardon on condition that what the suspects will dismiss the men with the same court will actually lead to the identification of the muster mines what you keep the outer we know that the this middle man that he is telling the truth how do we know that he knows what he says he knows. Well to be honest i mean people close to the investigation and this did this does guy hes a taxi driver hes a 41 year old texan driver hes been mentioned in the investigation maybe not public it but in private sectors and said it was close to the investigation for a number of months i would say in not only weeks and but for some reason it was only know that the government decided to step up the investigation and decided that this was the right time to offer the president ial pardon somebody something there must have been a turning point whereby the government believes that no its time is ripe to gave the president ial pardon so that this middle man can say who was the monster mine and now the question is not only who but why why was it felt that. To begin and not just who actually had this plan where you know it has been 2 years since the murder and the investigation basically was was going nowhere so i take your point that something must have happened. To make the Prime Minister say ill give this man a pardon if he cooperates do you know what happened are there sources telling you anything that would indicate a change in the investigation. Well what is sure is that the government was coming under intense pressure that the investigation is well in progress and in fact the boats a few weeks ago i believe it was around the 2nd anniversary government was criticized for refusing once again to have the f. B. I. On the case that was perceived as some kind of. New government not being very enthusiastic about the case being resolved no one of a sudden the government seems seems to be stepping up its efforts pressure from outside for sure from the council of you repeat vent to launch an inquiry on whether does murder could have been prevented his having to still i believe many people believe that the government now is realizing that 3 years down the line. This case it was through all of on it can do to sort of this case once and for all what do you think specially times of war that. Keep them is as before we run out of time i mean it sounds like based on what we what we are reading and seeing and what youre saying it sounds like the Prime Minister is more concerned about this not becoming a p. R. Disaster than he is about true justice being delivered for this murdered journalist is that a correct assessment. I think its a bit presumptuous to say its hes more concerned about a p. R. Disaster whats what distance did the worst Case Scenario for the Prime Minister is to have a political involvement in this murder if there is a political motive maybe definite i want to go if you will wasnt who was very very on the ball when it came to corruption links to the government maybe that would be the worst Case Scenario likely get it and minister now believes that time has come to do whatever it needs to be done now the time is ripe to give his president ial pardon maybe. Throw a light on this case once and for nobody knows exactly what will what will be happening. Do we know keith before we let you go do we do we know who is paying for the defense of the 3 men who have been implicated in this i mean i know that there was a lot of reporting about the funding. Yes there its i mean theyve even sent some documents for forensic examination didnt it states and it costs tens of thousands now apparently these suspects they declared they had very low income and didnt employ them going to the region to say how american they afford such Legal Expenses and to do dece these these foreign sick examination and United States and that that its that was all so so few willing questions d. Their defense lawyer has been asked about the source of the funds is being made but it wouldnt comment. Ok journalist Keith Mccullough from the times of joining us tonight from valetta want to keep we appreciate your time and updating us on this story we appreciate it thank you were now id like to bring in on the telephone Kareena Bella she is the sister of the murdered maltese journalist daphne gilead sia she joins me also from. Ms villa can you hear me. I think here you can hear me can yes i can hear you we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us i id like to get your take on this decision that we have received from the Prime Minister that hes promised a pardon to this middle man if the middle man cooperates and leads the investigation to the the murderer whats your reaction to that. I mean hes focusing on the cotton if something is not really the issue this is really about moving the investigation for didnt it and from what ive seen and heard there seems to be enough profit potential evidence to move the investigation further than the person has a great opportunity to deliver just as the test stands how mossad is going to handle all of this what do you have stays in the Justice System in malta i mean for from the outside looking at this story its been 2 years since your sister was murdered and we still dont know whos behind this horrible crime. We have an old time to check in the end justifies to be delivered in malta im encouraged by the fact that the has being a father a son that it looks like the investigation can move further up from that yes there have been in shoes yes its been a long time and no the case will not be closed once a murderer isnt jay destiny reported on crime and reports on corruption at the heart of government some of that touches on crime than just a touch to be delivered on every single level to every task and she ever wrote about she wrote about people in government and they are so that so full justice meaning justice for her mother and justice for her of course. This is a step forward and we need to take things further. And we can understand that you would like to see some resolution in some closure in this case the fact that it has taken so long do you think that speaks to the reality of the political inJustice System in malta that your sister reported on that it is somewhat corrupt and needs to be reformed do you think were seeing what diana deftly reported on were seeing it right before our eyes now there has been there have been several reports says that he was killed by a National Overnight faces including the council of Europe Venice commission of course you know on constitutional changes there was an update published today. As not being any progress in any of the areas mentioned in the council of europe report which was you know the subject of the resolution jews there was no theres not been any progress except for the announcement of a Public Inquiry you know the center of. The problematic. Changes recommended by Defense Commission there have been very little progress on the house of. Corinne develop the sister of the murdered maltese journalist have me believe she is joining us tonight from malta we appreciate your time and we appreciate your insights and sharing your thoughts with us tonight thank you. Thank you corning. For freedom of speech is alive and well in france if. Youre a duck a court has ruled that dogs kept by a retired farmer well they may keep on quacking after a neighbor sued in court over their racket the court said that the quacking was within respectable noise limits. The ducks have one of these ducks they belong to dominique do to a retired farmer in Southwestern France shes been keeping ducks for 36 years oh well the so these ducks are a problem my ducks make noise. In this bothers the neighborhood of was it that neighbor who didnt identify himself publicly as a reason to rival from an unnamed city he took the quacking very seriously. But if you were in their midst you do was coming to see me once or twice a week until the day i broke down from seeing him constantly and him telling me you should do something he should put up a noise proof wall that i will make you pay for. It was hell. Faith if they dont. Do just court date attracted plenty of supporters thousands of others signed a petition in favor of the ducks right to question. The case isnt the 1st one this year in france pitting noisy birds against new arrivals from the city in another small town a rooster named maurice so annoyed transplanted City Slickers that they too filed suit to stop his crowing maurice was allowed to continue so its country folk too quiet seekers 0 over here are that if you live in the country sign to get away from the noise for me its dead. Knowing this life so i say i will keep my ducks though because if you have a government so with the judgment under their wing these birds have not run afoul of the law. We like the dogs. 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