That its time to make a deal with the Hong Kong Government before about truth becomes impossible. To welcome to conduct some closure if its wrong for the Hong Kong Police to use violence what is right for the demonstrators to use and well 1st of all i dont think the level file is used by protesters are based on they intention to attack anybody i believe the intention of using violence you still need to protect ourselves because saying that the police had been beating a crowd. Without a reason when the police are you saying they returned it yes but they do more than retaliate 20th we have a group of hardcore protesters throwing petrol bombs at the Station Police station to tell you. We currently are one protester stabbed a policeman with a box cutter we have a homemade bomb which went off on the roadside by the grace of god didnt hurt anybody can the body is that kind of Violent Crime talking about well whats the justification well i believe the justification is because when how does us realize that Peaceful Demonstrations or march are no longer useful in calling the government to respond to it is demands i believe thats why theres a reason why did trying to use violence to express their anger expressed inferior so against a police force and this is round of violence which will be run by yes and i agree that in all means we should try to use peaceful means to. Respond for the government and i believe to use age of silence would not be the resolution of forcing the government to respond to our demands are you saying the people who use violence are now out of control well i dont believe theyre out of control because one of your fellow protesters took to the london Financial Times last month hes called mark hes 17 years old he said i feel like we cant restrain ourselves anymore the hatred towards police is growing stronger and stronger cant restrain ourselves that sounds very much like so much and movement which is getting out of control i believe that is so only some individual case i believe on the oncoming ground that most of the protesters are still doing doing things on based on a reason for example like de vandalised n. P. R. Stations they vandalized those restaurants or other shops that are related to chinese funded companies because you know become a little below turned into but the measure is you but some of you leading figures awarded by the violence and Johnson Young and was an organizer of the 2014 Brother Movement he said every stakeholder should take action immediately if we dont want the violence to escalate to a point where the only impact. But why dont you stand up and so enough with the words well i believe one of the Principal Amount of process is about mostly taking and no condemning any of our products or even though. The level of violence they use ours seems to be like escalating and might be posing some harms to the others so you move to a new almost Chinese Communist party unity thats vital for you and that is the amount you really can talk nobody can dispute what we do argue and we do discuss about our actions and even even after those offend allies asians weve got some discussions online on the online forums about and we do reflections of on on our actions so i believe there are those around and still goes on who can stop it who can all do it to stop well i believe nobody can try to stop it unless it is so its out of control than if nobody can stop it unless when the unless when the younger generations send together theyre willing to stand with together with the older generation for example like so far like student leaders together with some so they can leaders from the prodemocracy side when when these leaders try to stand up together and say now we have to do something peaceful and to stop the fellas i believe that might be. The might be a way to stop the felons and other things going so its pretty tentative so its pretty turn and pretty difficult once the train is rolling nobody in your group can stop it but thats dangerous and yes i agree so thats why we have been organizing peaceful marches and rallies to to try to assuage the. To try to switch the tactics that were using on a platter saying to cover it government to respond to our demands and i believe everybody in this society has been working very hard for example that we are organizing general strikes we have been organizing closed Marketing Campaigns because we would like to try to explore other place or means so that we can have serious baffins if in the meantime you should god forbid killing the body and innocent possible or us or a policeman your movements finished and you International Support will evaporate over the us i agree and im prepared to take the risk and you wont come out in public and say we need to stop this the British Government has slammed last week has slammed what it called the hard core minority so the violence was unacceptable this is the sound of you International Support wavering and and believing you isnt it. Yes well i believe the escalation of thousands and those violent scenes those might with absolutely be very concerning to the International Society when all the free world countries are advocating using peaceful means to. Bring the situation to a very nice thought but the trail youre going to for already does not matter. Well of course that matters but i think the most important thing is about how can we hold our government accountable and how can we bring them to respond to our to man what about the judiciary youve heard criticism from judicial institutions in hong kong pretty heavy criticism these are the bodies enjoy considerable respect around the world for the impartiality again if you are losing them this is a really bad sign for the law society for instance of all forms of on the move for violence particularly against the police the use of petrol bombs against the police as well as the apparent attacks on the families of Police Officers and the bullying of the children at school. You proof of those methods bullying the children of Police Officers that school well i dont agree with those math thats still with. Us and so you dont agree with the violence and you dont agree with the bullying of the children doesnt sound as though theres much you agree with but youll stay silent anyway now we had the f a k thing using peace i mean for example like peaceful rallies marches to. To express our concerns and demands and but the point is that we do not publicly condemn those actions but still we try to use our peaceful means to use our own case for me is to try to switch the tactic. Of using intimidation mafia style in intimidation we have a report of one teenage daughter of an officer been harassed by another out while she was playing sport they said to her what your father is doing is disgusting since when are children responsible for the actions of their parents. Well 1st off i dont thing any family members of those Police Officers should be responsible for their own disgusting actions and i made youre making them responsible some of your people are making responsible believe in them. What i believe that is happening. After or will a lot society says its happening yes i can deny that it is actually happening but still we are trying to use peaceful tactics to to bring the situation to a resolution and i believe like bullying family members would not be a very good way to solve the situation the Hong Kong Bar Association so do the hong kong airport constituted serious struction and was in open defiance of junctions granted by the courts in other words you broke from war do you want to live in a state governed by the rule of law or only the moves that you like of course i would like to live in a state of awful or however we can see that it is very obvious that the situation of we are flying hong kong is being broken not by the protesters but by the government itself 1st and i believe thats why protesters are marching on the street are taking on to the streets even though they know that it will break the law and i believe your experience is something you know the most important is to fight to protect the rule of law in hong kong and Judicial Independence but youre trashing it at the same time well i believe breaking the law to protect to the law doesnt because well it is the government that for us as us to take on the streets and to break the laws it is not a particularly so this is you know very forces you to break the law or do that the Government Forces that it is so obviously thats your interpretation but here here are these judicial institutions rule boarding you that criminal contempt as they put it impedes the administration of justice and if unchecked will inflict grave and reprobate damage to the rule of law in hong kong grave and irreparable damage thats what they think you are doing to hong kong. The mental well of course that matters but as i have mentioned what matters to most of us about whether we can actually bring a change to our political structure and government structure and that would be do come and go and would be the most important goal for us to achieve for just a day this moment and i believe even forward the department of justices self as in being totally independent for now after after the handover of hong kong from to British Government to the Chinese Government we can see that in our core values our judicial where system is being encroached by the Chinese Government we can see from to rescind prosecutions that the department of justice is only prosecuting in putting those processes on court while they are there and you still have independent judges you still have independent courts while. In terms of system they are independent however we can see that theyre actually being very heavily influenced by the Chinese Government that theyre sidestepping. Of for example like the 21st youre not 21st you like your long cases theyre not prosecuting theyre not taking any you have to try it straight to the court while they had been political prosecuting so many of the protestants and some of those across accused decisions. If you have a son down with the government and hold a dialogue who talks to you also who could who could also rise compromises to their essential in the kind of political dialogue who in your movement could actually sit down and authorize compromises i believe nobody could represent our movement because as you know. Done with you youre not Opening Doors youre closing doors when we are going origin you just said nobody could authorize compromises that we consider room for you represent you while back you should have moved supposed to talk to well back in june the chief executive kerry has tried to approach to several student you theres a hong kong and we had rejected her offer because she requested a private meeting with only some of this didnt you know hong kong which which is not even representing all the students in hong kong it would be a start wouldnt it it would have been a start it wont be a start it will only be a end to our movement because back in 2014 we see that caroline tried to talk to some of the student leaders some of the leaders of the umbrella revolution however what we got our dirty after did die a lot was that. Was to crackdown after our movement and then carolyn did not fear any of her any of her promises in the dialogue and we felt like especially in this Leaderless Movement its very important for us to have a public dialogue with as many stakeholders in the society as possible at least we can not only have the student activists talking to kerry land ok we have to include other stakeholders youve put forward 5 principle demands of the Hong Kong Government you and your fellow activists the government is only addressed one of them which was the extradition bill which threw withdrew from them but in fact according to chairman professor of the 1st of hong kong the government responded to all of your demands just not in the way that you wanted you wanted an independent investigation into Police Handling of the riots you didnt get that but you didnt get nothing the independent Police Complaints council appointed 5 overseas experts from britain Canada Australia and new zealand didnt get everything but they did respond well i believe what are we calling for is not only a official demand for official response from kerry land what we are asking for is about a concrete actions by the Hong Kong Government were asking them to respond to our demands by taking actual actions for somebody to invited these experts from from britain Canada Australia and i believe that is not what you can see and for now its not exactly what you want to but its something we are asking for an independent commission of inquiry to investigate to Police Brutality however if a team dependent Police Commission it is followed by most of the men can supporters how can we trust them how is that how nobody can put it i cant trust the overseas experts from britain canada. To me and hes not the one who make decisions to handle change you also want all charges dropped against protesters whove been arrested and theyve turned down. But how could they do anything else if you if you were found to broken the law you should be punished the same way as the police shouldnt you so why did why are you above the law so why arent they punishing the police they have in the past police have been hauled into court punished we cannot even identify the police because they are not showing their warrants because they are not showing their numbers when we cannot hold the Police Accountable when nobody can actually punish the police how come to come from government this could be charging our creditors with rioting even though they are only participating in some peaceful marches there is that is not reasonable so there is die consider yourselves equal before the more with the body else doing we are equal before the law so why do you should you get an amnesty why if youve broken the law and the Hong Kong Bar Association the Hong Kong Society you seem to indicate that you have broken the law shouldnt you be punished for breaking the law well i believe r. C. For amnesty would be the best solution would be the best resolution to start to run hotter ways of law in hong kong yes were trying to yes we want but of the same time many want an amnesty you want to escape punishment for breaking the law i would not say that there is a society that you want to live in i would not say that is trying to escape from being punished when we have broken the law i believe the reason why protesters are taking onto the streets is because. We want a government to be accountable to us we want a government to give concrete actions as monster lived in months and i believe thats why we are participating in peaceful marches lawful marches ever since june however the government the police have been accusing us has been arresting us for rioting and when the reason why directing us is not reasonable ed or how can they charge us so thats why were asking all a couple to some of some of your other actions in the minute but when it comes to the future the worry seems to be that you dont have much of a plan do you except to keep fighting you said recently i have no idea how these protests will end or even what will happen tomorrow we feel like there is no way back so we must keep fighting as if youre a passenger in this movement but youre not a passenger in this movement youre one of the spokes people for this Movement Turn to isnt it time you took responsibility for the well i think definitely are should be taking some of the responsibilities off finding the way out for hong kong for the whole movement but the fact is when the situation hunger is like changing in a very. In a very lightning speed every day we do not see our future we do not even know what will be happening the next day because back in june back in july we did not expect the government to be exercising its Emergency Powers dont have a plan of work to go do we want from soon we want all our demands met in full thats the only plan you have come to thats it we do have a we do have a plan we are very clear that we have to rethink about our we have to rethink about the future of hong kong we have to think about a 2047 debt light and i believe that is the consensus among congress other than the 5 demands were trying to discuss we are trying to have discussions amount different stakeholders in hong kong about our future after 2047 but at stake is not just your fate and you for the protesters but millions of other people who live in hong kong who are going to have to live with the fallout from your movement and from new movements actions for many years i mean you may be happy to bring chinas rules down on your head but to collapse the roof. In hong kong is that really a responsibility you want to youre prepared to take well 1st of all i thing the majority of hungers are still in support of the movement and i believe most of us are quite clear that and im getting prepared that was we are selling the movement or ones like. The Chinese Communist government would be using 1000 tactics to end the protests we are very clear that what the aftermath would be and i believe the majority of hong kong would like to take the risk in norther to you know that in this change of the Better Future of hong kong but dont you have a responsibility to try and find a way back which preserves and strengthens what you already have instead of risking a crackdown in which you could lose everything i believe we do or i mean for the actor and prodemocracy politicians we do have to responsibility but after all i think the greatest responsibility is the Hong Kong Government south and this is a project of the moment the British Government calls for a meaningful dialogue between parties with a critical political track to protect the rights and freedoms set out in hong kongs basic law are you capable of opening meaningful dialogue from what youve told me so for you not tell you what i believe the 1st criteria of having a sincere and meaningful dialogue would be the Hong Kong Government itself trying to be sincere well last time when they were in fighting student unions to the dialogue theyre trying to have it privately theyre not willing to make it public and to invite other stakeholders and even when theyre trying to start i come back to that point it could have been the start how could have been a start when theyre not being sincere we do not believe that would be any kind of meaning for consensus made in a dialogue when theyre trying to arrest our fellow protesters when theyre trying to put us in jail how can we believe that there would be meaning for a sincere dialogue at least they have to stop their prosecutions 1st i mean not forever but the alice have to show some sincerity. Some sincerity people are worried that youre becoming increasingly rigid and inflexible drones of chain who lead a coalition of prodemocracy groups into the 14th says no one ever do is to say think about it or accept it anyone who does so will be severely attacked we come to a consensus we stick to that position and we cannot shift is that the way you wont be able to start negotiations this rigid in flexibility youre in danger of becoming just as inflexible as but if you want to i believe that this question about the future of hong kong or how to move in would go this is like mushrooming especially in the recent days when we see that there has been a ask alasia of violence while were not achieving anything were not forcing the government to respond i believe there had been more in my discussions and well and i believe that like peaceful means would be the only way out for us to resolve this Current Situation in hong kong but i am very inspired group of your partisans have been beating up people who just think differently september the 15th we had a group of beat up a 49 year old hong kong man beat him unconscious because he did to challenge what the group was doing child hughton remonstrated with your fellow activists who showed you the love china i am chinese but they beat him up unconscious had to go to hospital he was in Critical Condition when he arrived but he survived is that the way you deal with people who think differently from me. Well of course that there will not be the very ideal way i do you could you dont even condemn it when did i condemn any kind of you have anyone supposed them if youre not going we dont have an answer posts inhuman treatment like this you cant even look me in the face d and say i condemn this kind of in human treatment where were not doing any kind of public undamaged. But still we are trying to detect takes to a more peaceful way what about the violence schools businesses that the scene is on supported ho how do you imagine youre protecting democracy by trashing a. T. M. Machines and starbucks. How does that help you preserve democracy while i believe protestors are vandalizing underground stations vandalizing those chinese Stone Companies for a reason because they will like to bring actual harm to those companies so that so that because they dont support you it is not about it oh support us it is it is about they are not why is it working for themselves they have to have their windows smashed and i have to have their a. T. M. Machines trashed because they just dont think so moves you do and you want to preserve democracy. Well i believe that were definitely not big best way however of doing that for a reason and theyre not i mean theyre trying to be rational and thats why were not trying to condemn them publicly but still we do have a flash as we do have discussions about this vandalize asians and there have been more and more voices about that we should actually try to explore some peaceful way so youre taking part in the local Council Elections not you personally but an imperative 450 candidates from the prodemocracy group are you willing to switch your attention from demonstrations and violence to politics to the slow painstaking often tedious business of politics in order to make hong kong work better for its inhabitants are you willing to do politics instead of just demonstrations. Well i believe the 2 things have to go parallel because one side about politics when weve got prodemocracy activists trying to get into de institutions were trying to change the government structure by. By a democratic way by elections and at the same time we have to continue our projects so that we can put pressure on the Hong Kong Government of south and i believe the 2 things are not contradict contradictory and thats why we have to make it go parallel and i dont believe that. We have to put all of our attention all of our focus on district Council Elections and try to stop in the kaiser protesting but here i believe that protests have to be in a peaceful way so issue its been good to have you all complete so thank you for. Something. After the fall of the lebanese no summer night g. W. Slick. Carefully to. Suit the needs to begin to. Discover who. Lent. Subscribe to. Documentary on you tube. I was here when i arrived here i slept with 6 people in a room. It was hard i was fair. I even got white hair. Language. This leads me and they go bust maybe to instruct the slaves you want to know their story. And then for a Little Information for margaret. 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