That its time to make a deal with the Hong Kong Government before that too becomes impossible. George to welcome to conduct some closure if its wrong for the Hong Kong Police to use violence what is right for the demonstrators to use and well 1st of all i dont think the level of those used by the protesters are based on day intention to attack anybody i believe the intention of using policy is only to protect ourselves because saying that the police had been beating up protesters without a reason when the police are you saying they returned it yes but they do more than. 20 years we have a group of hardcore protesters throwing petrol bombs at the Station Police station but it wasnt retaliated. We currently are one protester stabbed a policeman with a box cutter we have a homemade bomb which went off on the roadside by the grace of god didnt hurt anybody oh killing the body is that kind of Violent Crime talking about well or whats the justification well i believe the justification is because when potus realized that Peaceful Demonstrations in march are no longer useful in calling the government to respond to it is demands i believe thats why there is a reason why did trying to use violence to express their anger expressed their fear and suggest a police force and because round of violence who took them and run yes and i agree that in all means we should try to use peaceful means to. Respond for the government and i believe to use age or file it would not be the resolution of force in the government to respond to our demands are you saying the people who use violence now out of control well i dont believe theyre out of control because one of you for the protesters to meet with the london Financial Times last month is called mark you 17 years old you said i feel like we cant restrain ourselves anymore the hatred towards police is growing stronger and stronger cant restrain ourselves that sounds very much like so much and movement which is getting out of control i believe that is only some individual cases i believe on the oncoming ground that most of the protesters are still doing doing things on based on a reason for example like de vandalised n. P. R. Stations they vandalized those restaurants or other shops that are related to chinese funded companies because you know who come with little ability to to buy the machines here but some of your leading figures are worried by the violence of the Johnson Young man was an organizer of the 2 of the 14 Brother Movement he said every stakeholder should take action immediately if we dont want the violence to escalate to a point where the only impact. But why dont you stand up and so enough with the world. Well i believe one of the Principal Amount to prattle about mostly taking and no condemning any of our products is even though. The level of violence they use ours seems to be like escalating and might be posing some harms to the others so you maintain almost Chinese Communist party unity thats frontal for you and that is the amount you really can talk mobley can dispute what we do argue and we do discuss about our actions and even even after those sent allies asians weve got some discussions online on the eve online forums about and we do reflections of on on our actions so i believe there are those around and still goes on who can stop it who could do it to stop well i believe nobody can try to stop it unless it is so its out of control than if nobody can stop it unless when the unless when the younger generations send together theyre willing to stand there with together with the older generation for example like so far like student leaders together with some so they can leaders from the prodemocracy side when when these leaders try to stand up together and say now we have to do something peaceful and to stop the phallus i believe that might be a. Dumb might be a way to stop the violence and the other thing that seems pretty turn to do so is pretty turn and pretty difficult once the train is rolling nobody seeing in your group can stop it thats thats dangerous and yes i agree so thats why we have been organizing peaceful marches and rallies to to try to assuage the. To try to switch the tactics that were using on a platter saying to cover it government to respond to our demands and i believe everybody in the society has been working very hard for example that we are organizing general strikes we have been organizing class by cutting campaigns because we would like to try to explore other place or means so that we dont have to do is baffling if in the meantime you should god forbid killing the body and innocent possible or us or a policeman your movements finished then you International Support will evaporate over the us i agree and i am prepared to take the risk and you wont come out in public and say we need to stop this the British Government has slammed last week has slammed what it called the hard core minority so that the violence was unacceptable this is the sound of you International Support wavering and and believing you isnt it. Yes well i believe the escalation of thousands and those violent scenes those might definitely be very concerning to the International Society when all the free world countries are advocating using peaceful means to. Bring the situation to a tree restart but theyre going to for already present that matter. Well of course that matters but i think the most important thing is about how can we hold our government accountable and how can we bring them to respond to our demands what about the judiciary youve heard criticism from judicial institutions in hong kong pretty heavy criticism these are the bodies enjoy considerable respect around the world for the impartiality again if youre losing them this is a really bad sign for the law society for instance all forms of on the move from violence particularly against the police the use of petrol bombs against the police as well as the apparent attacks on the families of Police Officers and bullying of the children at school. Who proof of those methods bullying the children of Police Officers that school well i dont agree with those math thats still with. Us and so you dont agree with the violence and you dont agree with the bullying of the children doesnt sound as though theres much you agree with that youll stay silent anyway now we had the f a k thing using piece i mean for example like peaceful rallies marches to. To express our councils and demands and but the point is that we do not publicly condemn those actions but still we try to use our peaceful means to use our own peaceful means to try to switch the tactic of those using intimidation maffia style and intimidation we have a report of one teenage daughter of an officer being heris by an adult while she was playing sport they said to her what your father is doing is disgusting since when are children responsible for the actions of their parents. Well 1st off i dont thing any family members of those Police Officers should be responsible for their own disgusting actions and i made youre making them responsible some of your people are making responsible bully in them harassing them well i believe that is happening but. After or when the law society says its happening yes i can deny that it is actually happening but still we are trying to use peaceful tactics to to bring the situation to a resolution and i believe like bullying family members would not be a very good way to solve the situation the Hong Kong Bar Association so do the hong kong airport constituted serious struction and was in open defiance of junctions granted by the courts in other words you broke from the war do you want to live in a state governed by the room of new or only the moves that you like of course i would like to live in a state of law however we can see that it is very obvious that the situation of we are flying hong kong is being broken not by the protesters but by the government itself fast and i believe thats why protesters are marching on the street are taking on to the streets even though they know that it would break the law and i believe your experience says something you know that the most important aim is to fight to protect the rule of law in hong kong and Judicial Independence but youre trashing it at the same time well i believe breaking the law to protect to them or doesnt because well it is the government that forces us to take on the streets and to break the laws it is not a particularly so this is you know very forces you to break the law or do they the government far as i said it is i believe thats your interpretation but here here are these judicial institutions rule warning you that criminal contempt as they put it impedes the administration of justice and if unchecked will inflict grave and represent damage to the rule of law in hong kong grave and irreparable damage thats what they think youre doing to hong kong. The mantle well of course that matters but as i have mentioned what matters to most of us about whether we can actually bring a change to our political structure and government structure and that would be do come and go and would be the most important goal for us to achieve for. This moment and i believe even forward the department of justices self as in being totally independent for now after after the handover of hong kong from the British Government to the Chinese Government we can see down to our core values our tradition where systems being encroached by the Chinese Government we can see from to rescind prosecutions that the department of justice only prosecuting in putting those processes on cart while they are there if you still have independent judges you still have the independent courts while. In terms of system they are independent however we can see that theyre actually being very heavily influenced by the Chinese Government and that theyre sidestepping this of for example like the 21st you not on the 21st july youre long cases theyre not prosecuting theyre not taking any you have to try it straight to the court while they had been political prosecuting so many of the protesters and some of those across accused decisions. If you have a son down with the government and hold a dialogue who talks to us who could who could also rise compromises that are essential in the kind of political dialogue who in your movement could actually sit down and authorize compromises i believe nobody could represent our movement because as you know the the letters nobody will sit down with you youre not Opening Doors you closing doors when we are going oration you just said nobody could authorize compromises and reconsider the room for you represent you while back you sort of not supposed to talk to well back in june the chief executive has tried to approach to several student unions in hong kong and we had rejected her offer because she requested a private meeting with some of these to the new hong kong which which is not even representing all the students in hong kong it would be a start wouldnt that it would be the start it wont be a start it will only be a end to our movement because back in 2014 we see that carolyn tried to talk to some of the student leaders some of the leaders of the umbrella revolution however what we got are after the dialogue was that. Was to crackdown after our movement and then carolyn did not fear any of her any of her promises in the dialogue and we felt like especially in this Leaderless Movement its very important for us to have a public dialogue with as many stakeholders in a society as possible at least we cannot only have the student activists talking to kerry land ok we have to include other stakeholder youve put forward 5 principle demands of the Hong Kong Government you and your fellow activists the government isnt addressed one of them which was the extradition bill which they withdrew for them but in fact according to albert chan professor of nor the university of hong kong the government responded to all of your demands just not in the way that you want it you wanted an independent investigation into Police Handling of the riots you didnt get that but you didnt get nothing done over the independent Police Complaints council appointed 5 overseas experts from britain Canada Australia and new zealand didnt get everything but they did respond well i believe what are we calling for is not only a official demand for official response from kerry lam what we are asking for is about a concrete action by the Hong Kong Government were asking them to respond to our demands by taking actual actions for somebody to invited these experts from from britain Canada Australia new zealand i believe that is not was surprising for you know its not exactly what you want to but its something we are asking for an independent commission of inquiry to investigate a Police Brutality however for the independent Police Commission it is followed by most of the. Supporters how can we trust them how is that how nobody can put it i cant trust you overseas experts from britain canada their australia by seems to me at least not the ones who make decisions to have done change you also want all charges dropped against protesters whove been arrested and theyve turned down. But how could they do anything else if you offer if you were found to broken the law you should be punished the same way as the police shouldnt you so why did why are you above the law so why arent they punishing the police they have in the past police have been hauled into court punished we cannot even identify the police because they are not showing their warrants because they are not showing their numbers when we cannot hold the Police Accountable when nobody can actually punish the police how come to count on government this could be charging our creditors with rioting even though they are only participating in some peaceful marchers that is that is not reasonable so they died instead of yourselves equal before the nor with the we are equal before the law so why do you should you get an amnesty why if youve broken the law and the wrong Bar Association the Hong Kong Society seem to indicate that you have broken the law shouldnt you be punished for breaking the law while i believe r. C. For amnesty would be the best solution would be the best resolution to i think you start to are in such a way of law in hong kong yes were trying to yes we want but of the same time many want an amnesty you want to escape punishment for breaking the law i would not say that in the society they do want to live in i would not say that is trying to escape from being punished when we have broken the law i believe the reason why protesters are taking onto the streets is because. We want a government to be accountable to us we want a government to give concrete actions as much to our demands and i believe thats why we are participating in peaceful marches lawful marches ever since jan however the government the police have been accusing us has been arresting us for rioting and when the reason why they are resting are its not reasonable at all how can they charge us so thats why were asking all of carbon to some of some of your other actions in the book when it comes to the future the worry seems to be that you dont have much of a plan do you except to keep fighting you said recently i have no idea how these protests will end or even what will happen tomorrow we feel like there is no way back so we must keep fighting as if youre a passenger in this movement but youre not a passenger in this movement or one of the spokes people for this movement dont you isnt it time you took responsibility for the well i think definitely are should be taking some of the responsibilities of finding the way out for hong kong for the whole movement but the fact is when the situation hunger is like changing in a very. In a very lightnings beat every day we did not see our future we do not even know what would be happening the next day because back in june back in july we did not expect the government to be exercising its Emergency Powers dont have a plan of where to go do we want from saying we want all our demands met in full thats the only plan you have come to thats it we do have a we do have a plan we are very clear that we have to rethink about our we have to rethink about the future of hong kong we have to think about a 2047 debt line and i believe that is the consensus among congress are there that if i demand were trying to discuss we are trying to have discussions amount different stakeholders in hong kong about our future after 2047 look at stake is not just your fate and your from the protesters but millions of other people who live in hong kong who are going to have to live with the fallout from your movement and from your movements actions for many years i mean you may be happy to bring chinas rules down on your head but to collapse the roof on everybody elses head in hong kong is that really a responsibility you want to youre prepared to take well 1st of all i thing the majority of hungers are still in support of the movement and i believe most of us are quite clear that and im getting prepared that was we are selling the movement or ones like. The Chinese Communist government would be using 1000 tactics to end the protests we are very clear that what the aftermath would be and i believe the majority of hong kong like to take the risk in all their to you know that in this change of the Better Future of hong kong but dont you have a responsibility to try and find a way back which preserves and strengthens what you already have instead of risking a crackdown in which you could lose everything i believe we do or i mean for the act of. The politicians we do have to a responsibility but after all i think the greatest responsibility is the Hong Kong Government south and this is a project of the moment the British Government calls for meaningful dialogue between parties with a credible political tract to protect the rights and freedoms set out in hong kongs basic law are you capable of opening a meaningful dialogue from what youve told me so far you know or tell you what i believe the 1st criteria of having a sincere and meaningful dialogue would be the Hong Kong Government itself trying to be sincere well last time when they were invited in unison a dialogue theyre trying to have it privately theyre not willing to make it public and to invite other stakeholders in there and even when theyre trying to be like cant i come back to that point it could have been the start how could a bit of start when theyre not being sincere we do not believe that would be any kind of meaning for consensus made in the dialogue when theyre trying to wrest our fellow when theyre trying to put us in jail how can we believe that there would be meaning for a sincere dialogue at least they have to stop their prosecutions 1st i may not forever but alice have to show some sincerity. Some sincerity people are worried that youre becoming increasingly rigid and inflexible terms of trying to lead a coalition of prodemocracy groups into the 14th says no one ever do is to say think about it or accept it anyone who does so will be severely attacked we come to a consensus we stick to that position and we cannot shift is that the way you wont be able to start negotiations this rigid in flexibility youre in danger of becoming just as flexible as but if you choose i believe that discussion about the future of hong kong are how difficult it would go this is like mushrooming especially in the recent days when we see that there has been no aska lation of violence while were not achieving anything were not forcing the government to respond i believe there had been more in my discussions and where i and i believe that. Like peaceful means would be the only way out for us to resolve to see Current Situation in hong kong primarily its but a group of your partisans have been beating up people who just think differently september the 15th we had a group of beat up a 49 year old hong kong man beating monk conscious because he did to challenge what the group was doing child hughton remonstrated with your follow up to the c. Show do the love china i am chinese but they beat him up unconscious have to go to hospital he was in Critical Condition when he arrived but he survived is that the way you deal with people who think differently from me. Well of course that there will not be the very ideal way i do you could do you dont even condemn it where did i condemn any kind of you have anyone suppose then if youre not going to tell her is that posts inhuman treatment like this you cant even look me in the face d and say i condemn this kind of in human treatment where were not doing any kind of public undamaged. But still we are trying to switch to tactics to a more peaceful way what about the violence schools businesses that the scene was on supported ho how do you imagine youre protecting democracy by trashing a. T. M. Machines and starbucks. How does that help you preserve democracy while i believe protestors are vandalizing underground stations vandalizing those chinese Stone Companies for a reason because they would like to bring actual harm to those companies so that. Because they dont support you it is not about they dont support us it is it is about they are not why is it working for themselves they have to have their windows smashed and the have to have their a. T. M. Machines trashed because they just dont think the same way as you do and you want to preserve democracy well i believe that were definitely not big bass wave however and theyre doing that for a reason and theyre not i mean theyre trying to be rational and thats why were not trying to condemn them publicly but still we do have the fractures we do have discussions about us vandalize asians and there have been more and more voices about that we should actually try to explore a some peaceful way so youre treating poet in the local Council Elections not you personally but apparently 450 candidates from the prodemocracy group are you willing to switch your return ssion from demonstrations and violence to politics to the slow painstaking often tedious business of politics in order to make hong kong work better for its inhabitants are you willing to do politics instead of just demonstrations well i believe the 2 things have to go parallel the coast one side about politics when weve got prodemocracy activists trying to get into the institutions were trying to change the government structure by. By a democratic way by elections and at the same time we have to continue our project so that we can put pressure on the Hong Kong Government itself and i believe the 2 things are not contradicted contradictory and thats why we have to make a go parallel and i dont believe that we have to put all of our attention all of our focus on district Council Elections and try to stop and kaiser protesting that or i believe that process had to be in a peaceful way joyce you been good to feel complete song thank you very. He affronts 0 antone and heres a scene here that when your mother was born in 1969 the wall was already 8 years old you know my grandchildren were born after the wall fell born in a very unified germany 3 generations one family on a journey through a recent german history. The berlin wall our family and us 15 d. W. He wanted to smash the berlin wall long before it finally found. 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