In lost their lives and for many of these you know smugglers and human traffickers they do not see you as a human being they see you as as a commodity as money. And its interest here is terrible because ive been in many of these containers and you know is before may its terrible but these people dont care because because as a city girl got after money are you are you happy that your home is now the u. K. I dont think the world happy i dont know its its there were words here i think im i feel lucky to be a life here save where theres no bombing theres no shelling theres no you know torture theres no rest there is no disappearances that. I can go to bed save it this is evening knowing that my family my girls my little children wont be killed in a bombing they wont be kidnapped this is the whole point of the whole journey. Before we let you go i want to ask you how do you feel when people there in the u. K. Talk about breaks it and immigration how does it strike you when you hear the discussion. It is very complex but i think for me personally on a personal level since i arrived in this country over all the the people i mean every day experiences right in countering people in these interactions has been overwhelming giving you know im positive people are welcoming i was supported i was you know helped in fact you know after i got mad if you just did as i did it with an english family for about the weeks and later my family came from syria on a new visa and was also offered a property by another you know a landlord and later on i was up for the scholarship to do my masters i finished my march the university of london and later on i was also given opportunity to do full time work so im working i mean overall you know when it comes to 2 migration im fortunate if you look at the media its been you know described negatively but every day life and experiences and interactions people are passionate when when you talk about a human to Human Experience if you were there with these figures and numbers and cards and you put a human face it i think many people can relate so have i have to say its very reaffirming to hear someone with your experience is able to see the the positive and the humanity in all of us i think thats something we can all use more of up with our shed joining us tonight from england of the we appreciate your time and we appreciate you sharing your story thank you. All of us thank you very much. Facebook doesnt use its employees for the hardest jobs in the company youve got about 15000 contractors watching murders stabbings suicides other gruesome disgusting videos for content moderation correct congressman yes i believe that thats correct these workers get 99 minutes of supervised wellness time per day that means 90 minutes to cry in the stairwell while somebody watches them would you be willing to commit to spending one hour a day for the next year or watching these videos and acting as a content monitor and only accessing accessing the same benefits available to your workers im not sure that would best serve our community for me to spend that money to clean my times ive heard i spent a lot in my time and mr secor burger you saying youre not qualified to be a content monitor you know congresswoman thats not im so when you say youre not willing to do it. It was just one of the many dressing downs of facebook c. E. O. Mark zuckerberg endured today on capitol hill Mr Zuckerberg went to washington this time hoping to convince lawmakers to support his companys new Digital Currency libor but it didnt quite work out as planned to talk about that im joined now here at the big table by sophia diogo my tears as she manages the w. s main english language Facebook Page and she works on social media strategy she knows a thing or 2 about facebooks if its good to have you on this show. What what was your impression today just by the the appearance of the performance of zuckerberg i mean was he clueless as to why these lawmakers worst being so critical. Well brant i would say he was clueless i think he was a lot more prepared than last time clearly the facebook staff made an effort to inform him and prepare him for the lines of questioning it felt to me like he was a lot more prepared on the policy issues regarding labor he wasnt expecting all the other car questions and that tied in in the minds of the congressmen women and Postal Service committee to with libra so all the other ongoing issues that facebook has in court. Generally as a company i know facebook has been spending millions of dollars lobbying lawmakers in washington trying to repair its image and i have the impression that all of that money was just blown away today based on what we saw you wrote an article today saying that Mark Zuckerberg maybe he doesnt understand it as one understand the realities of working at facebook in if he does want to understand you say he should start with content moderation yes our why kind of moderation is the one aspect of facebook queer you have. The hardest part of what it is like to have a platform like that if you stand 1st few free speech like Mark Zuckerberg says he does every day and every time he has a hearing but youre not concerned with my new sheet of deciding whether a video is too graphic card pick a picture to pornographic to be up on the website if youre not willing to pay those people a fair wage and to give them working conditions to allow them to cope with those decisions which are out 400. 00 a shift that content moderators that facebook have to do if youre not willing to acknowledge also the impact the emotional impact that this has on people and i dont think you can tackle the bigger issue because these 2 just cant be done they cant be separated why do you think there is the disconnect with him and content moderators weve had them on this program before the ones who work here. And you know the they go through what every shift i mean what theyre what theyre seeing and what theyre having to sort through and filter through he seems i got the impression that he thinks that thats dirty work and the c. E. O. Doesnt get his hands dirty is that the impression you got that same person i have as well and thats the impression that i think offends a lot of people that work on these floors there was some there was one report that a person that works in one of the facilities and florida killed himself derived from the work not at work but there right from the park i think he does see it as dirty work has been eve him as something that is something that can be outsourced because these contractors are outsourced theyre not facebook employees they get paid almost a 10th of what normal facebook employees make on average and i just dont think you think that these decisions are important or something that should be fought about face to nuisance isnt it yeah it is i mean if you look at the early days of facebook it was all about the platform is not responsible for the content on the platform remember and that of course is change but i get the impression that he still wants to go back to the early 2000 and not be held responsible for what is on facebook and the congressmen and women yesterday made that point very very clearly because he has a said several cases i believe in court at federal and state level against being liable for the content for the transactions for the dad and for what happened so that it so i think he does i think he wants to maintain that status quo and facebook has had this issue in which it doesnt see itself as a publisher and traditional since it says that it doesnt host contants not a Media Company but then it also says that these decisions should be something that they decide on safina eventually were out of time thanks for coming in please come back theres a lot to talk about thank you the day is almost done the conversation continues online and we will see you tomorrow tomorrow is another day. True the point of strong opinions from clear positions from International Perspectives this was supposed to be the decisive week for exit but while moscow and possibly even whether the u. K. Will leave the e. U. Remains unclear now the timetables partly after brussels can westminster seal a deal thats our topic on to the point join us on the back of the book next to the body double talk of. The buddha the oceans belong to the fisherman who can bend on them for that livelihood. Or corporations just hope to make money. From a global struggle for control is on the way the consequences for nature could be devastating. Im grabbing new laws of the sea. In 45 minutes dont lose. Sleep. Carefully. Dont move those super. Nice to do good. They are. Actually. Discovered. She charges documentary to. This was supposed to be the decisive week for breakfast but when and how and possibly even whether the u. K. Will leave the e. U. Remains unclear after stormy debate in partial victory for Boris Johnson the majority in parliament approved his withdrawal a deal in principle but they voted down his timetable now the ball is in Brussels Court will it agree to the extension a reluctant lee requested by the Prime Minister in town westminster sealed the deal. And we have 3 brecks that watchers with us here on to the point to help us penetrate the fog emanating from london derek scully works for the irish times and she says Boris Johnson and his brechts it brothers have paralyzed europe for 3 years now their departure has become a deal or no deal game show but it can always get worse and it will. Be and its a pleasure to welcome john werth he is a british blogger living here in berlin he says a general election before christmas is now Boris Johnsons only way out of his selfinflicted maps. And were very happy to have ventilation from grade 0 with us she works for the british magazine the economist and she says m. P. s are. Kicking the can down the road which means brecks it is less and less likely. And the money. So derek you say that johnson and his brothers in your words have paralyzed europe but arent we in fact seeing at least a little bit of movement now at least there has been Agreement Agreement on a deal which in fact is something to reset may never achieved you know has been technically in preliminary agreement i mean its tiny steps forward but there could easily be more steps back and weve been doing this are very long time its a signal of just how poisonous the british political system is now that the parliament doesnt trust its own Prime Minister they dont trust him that they will agree to this on the heels of across the more he will be double crossed by his brags the tears the hard bags hears and they will have a no deal breaks it so its a sign of how bad things are that this is all they could do this week and we dont know whats coming so yes its progress if you want but from a very low base so the parliamentarians ventilating are asking for more influenced more details more time you say that amounts to kicking the can down the road but isnt it pretty understandable that they have a lets say woken up out of their stupor and are actually making some demands given the magnitude of whats happening its absolutely understandable because its a very complex undertaking they have to read through hundreds of pages of more than 100 pages of very detailed very complex stuff and you cant do that in a few days even though the Prime Minister tried to get them to do that by the end of the month so it is absolutely understandable the only thing is of course if you do that for yet another extension that again creates uncertainty and the possibility of obstacles or problems which is of course why Boris Johnson didnt kept insisting no we have to leave by the 31st of october which increasingly looks like the end unfeasable so john you say a general election could wind up being Boris Johnsons only way out explain that to us if you would because in fact he. Does have approval on this deal or why would he want to reopen it so to speak dissension because he only got approval because he put the parliament terence or potential but the problem terence under enormous pressure they didnt actually really know this was in the steel so its basically give me this deal now and what the palm towns are said is i want to mean it we need more time to analyze this and when they start looking into it they see details with regard to all of the different aspects the economic relationship the Northern Ireland border where they have problems and ultimately that 330 politicians that Boris Johnson had back in his deal he will whittle down it will go lower and lower as the weeks go by and Boris Johnson is understood that so if he says ok lets risk a general election ill go into the general election promising breaks it and hopefully come back with a majority so ultimately it would be a gamble but that way he might increase the number of conservative members of parliament and then be able to get a much larger majority to make sure that his brakes it is secure so it talk a little bit about the implications of an election in a moment but 1st let us ourselves explore a little bit of what this deal does contain so its done just mentioned ireland especially Northern Ireland a major sticking point. That used to be friends of the tories saying its been sold out can you just briefly tell us derek what exactly is the agreement now on ireland is it workable and is it going to be acceptable in the end if theres a compromise on both sides a Northern Ireland in future will be sort of in between the e. U. And the u. K. It will be officially part legally part of the u. K. Customs union so if you k. Does deals with the us it can profit from that but theres a back door and up back door well keep the border between Northern Ireland and the republic which is staying in the open so basically if you were to be positive about it they have the best of all possible worlds even membership on officially pragmatically on a day to day basis travelling over and back across their open border but they also have access. To these wonderful new Global Britain trade deals the london will be agreeing so they got the best of pos words boats the people in northern onto are loyal to the queen they dont want to be they dont want special treatment they just want to be as good you u. K. Citizens anyone else and they think that as time goes on and the trade differences between the you can you get bigger the gap between northern are than the rest of the u. K. Will become great figure and then they will sort of on the slippery slope towards united on which they want to avoid italy lets talk a little bit about timing as we said johnson had sworn he would leave the e. U. By october 31st but now he submitted this very very ambivalent request to the e. U. For an extension take us through that if you would well Boris Johnson said he had all the die in the ditch and then then that leaves the later than october 1st now hes not that he may be but hes not that what he did is something very unusual he sends because by little by the ben act he was very quiet to ask for an extension so he sent that letter demanding an extension but without signing it probably without putting a stop on the letter maybe even smudging the ink a little bit and then he sent another letter which he sayd where he says well you know im actually against the extension which was of course playing to his base that was all part of his posturing and you know hes a great theatrical thea to make it so thats what it is skew no he he will need an extension its impossible to get it through by the end of the month but because he promised he wouldnt do that he thats this whole charade of not signing the letter and pretending you know hes doing something hes obliged to do because its and nice impose it on him so it seems the ball is now in Brussels Court and from what were hearing Decision Makers there are torn between frustration and the fervent desire to ensure an orderly withdrawal lets go now to w. s Brussels Bureau chief max hoffman. Hi max hope you cat hear and say yes we can you tell me 1st of all what is the mood in brussels are people there basically saying we have just got to get this thing over. Well 1st of all the mood is that the ball is not at all in the court of the European Union but they still feel they need guidance by Boris Johnson whats the plan because as you know the braggs a deal is on ice even the break that the withdrawal bill which is the legislation behind that deal is on ice at the moment and Boris Johnson has always said if there is an extension that he will pull that bill and he will call for a snap elections so does he really want to do that how much time would he need to do that if not he still wants to pass the deal how long will it take him to get it through the u. K. House of commons if at all and the thinking here is if we know how long he needs to do that then well give him that maybe 5 days extra and then well have the time he needs but so far no signals like that from the u. K. So there is frustration about that and you know its been going on for 3 and a half years its no miracle that many here just want to get it over with but with a deal so whats your guess where this is how this is going to play out when will we have a decision out of brussels and what kind of timeframe do you think will then be talking about you ambassadors met on wednesday and it appeared that in the room they were all in favor of an extension the question is just how long the french want to short technical extension maybe even 3 to 4 weeks and countries like germany say given the extension they asked for which is until the 31st of january they will meet again on friday and might get a decision there what they want to avoid at all costs is another summit another brags that summit that gives even more attention to Boris Johnson next off month thank you very much for being with us. So lets pick up on that john and come back to this general election idea that you had mentioned in your Opening Statement now Boris Johnson it said if in fact its a long extension he will maybe want to go through with a general election but apparently his party is very divided so whats your assessment 1st of all on where the tories stand and then were going to talk a little bit about labor so basically the conservative party thinks it could win a general election its 10 Percentage Points ahead of the labor party in the opinion polls Boris Johnson is more popular than jeremy kolbe in the Labor Party Leader but the conservatives the nervous because they were also 10 pin points ahead in the opinion polls back in 2017 and look what happened there because jeremy tobin calls up then with a reason maybe then conservative leader is also the case that many conservatives want to get breaks it done and say that breaks its own 1st and then have a general election because the population will infanticide having managed to get britain out of the European Union because there is that gentleman waiting in the wings knowledge will for all of the worry well known member of the European Parliament who will come roaring back he will essentially say this brics deal that Boris Johnson is negotiated thats not a real bracks it we want a real and radical brights it out and out now and Boris Johnson fears that he would lose support to the brakes at party and not much allow opposition parties in and so thats the reason for the nervousness winter is also coming and no one really likes doing election campaigns in november and december when its rainy and cold and unpleasant and that might also mean that election turnout may also be down so it would be a very very strange election but ultimately only ballance i still think the conservatives will go for that because they see the weakness of the labor party and where does labor play out in all of this we heard now that Jeremy Corbyn is saying yes he might want to go on a go ahead with a general election what would likely be the result. For labor i think it could be disastrous he seems to be getting into the detail of regs with just days nobody wants to hear a need to tell you more its a binary decision brags that now yes no and hes saying this deal that has been negotiated is worse than threes amazed that it would undermine workers rights and so on in the u. K. Because britain might want to sort of undercut the rest of the European Union and becomes a competitive singapore in the thames but this is hes getting into detail at the end of the day to people trust german core and i think the answer is really no and theres been this terribly damaging thing about the summit im anti semitism within the Labor Party Labor party has been consuming itself i mean it almost doesnt need an Opposition Party like the tories its fighting itself i dont really know how attractive a proposition labor is at the moment this leader but of course thats for the bridge voters to decide that labor but now has a relatively clear position it says it wants a 2nd year referendum its taken labor 3 years to come to a relatively clear position so ultimately if you want britain to remain in the European Union you cannot relatively safely vote for either labor all the little democrats or the greens or the Scottish National party whichever might have the best chance in the constituency in which you live that might save them but a 2nd referendum 2 years ago perhaps by the fence enthusiasm at this stage even friends of mine who want to stay in the European Union they say even they are saying that for exit on which is a classic tory populists expression clearly the outcome of any vote would depend on Public Opinion and as were hearing opinion in britain is increasingly polarized lets hear the voices some of those who went onto the streets just this past week to speak out. They did a great favor of the minority and i mean. We dont want we want. The majority as we operate a. Lot of these are terrible deal for the country and its a terrible deal for the poorest people in the country. As a bridge too im disgusted with those abilities. Bush wants to push through for. A way that we can have a say on it just decide to throw your grades are great people to be the girl you cross out for drug lords not the way you were busy produced all through just all the looks the order to produce. The battle lines are drawn to what do is to be georgie in britain want. Lets get ventilating to tell us that what the majority in britain want and given the level of polarization that we see there would a new election resolve anything at all. Well it would give Boris Johnson probably a former mandate because remember hes not elected hes never been elected to the post of Prime Minister and at the moment the mood in the country seems to be that seems to be that the majority that he would get a majority if you have elections tomorrow so hes of course keen on that because it would strengthen him and strengthen his hold of paul. And if he did get a majority is there any chance that