Prisoners are already on route to ukraine but kiev officials just deny the swap had taken place can you fill us in on whats happening there. Well we cant really know for sure whats going on right now because we know that theyve been working on this prisoner swap president selenski has said that and that hes working on it personally but yesterday what happened was a new lawmaker was elected just not long ago posted on facebook something indicating that these that these Political Prisoners were returning home they might have already been sent home this was shared by that newly appointed prosecutor general was rubbish aka which sort of caused a media frenzy were now there are at least 50 cameras and journalists waiting at key is really on the airport but we just arent sure and to some degree there is reason for doubt in part because this is an entirely new cabinet of ministers appointed literally last night and the the president the cabinet ministers many officials were in the parliament until very late so to me it raises some questions about who actually is working on this right now theres a lot of focus on this filmmaker all sense of why is it such a big deal for ukraine and his government to get him back. Well its not the only political prisoner whos important to ukraine and his government but he is one of the most prominent he is from crimea he opposed the russian annexation of crimea he was imprisoned on some very dodgy charges of planning terrorist attacks he was sent to prison for 20 years hes both a public figure whos well known and hes also viewed by many as a hero there have been protests in support of him being freed hes not the only political prisoner in fact at some point and sometimes there are people who suggest that his prominence as a political prisoner actually sucks the air out of the room for other important Political Prisoners who also need to be freed but hes the hes in many ways the face of the ukrainian Political Prisoners held in russia what does this possible return of prisoners this possible swap tell us about the way relations are developing between russia and ukraine. Well im not sure if it foretells any major change in relations it is a Major Development theres no denying that there has not been a Prisoner Exchange of this side of sides between russia and ukraine before there have been several smaller ones there was in december 2700 a very Large Exchange between ukraine and russia back separatist control in parts of ukraines eastern then yes in the ponce regions but this would be a new exchange unprecedented in the size it is it does show it would show some ability to negotiate a Prisoner Exchange this would be very important but i dont believe it would fundamentally change relations between russia and ukraine there are still so many intractable issues in these relations that one exchange wont fix that although its a very positive Development Matthew thank you very much for talking to us that was post editorial horse wanted matthew in the ukrainian capital. Now its been 80 years since the beginning of world war 2 and now in poland there is growing demand that germany pay reparations worth several 100000000000. 00 euros to compensate for the devastation it caused the topic could come up on sunday when german president takes part in commemorations in warsaw and its creating tensions in relations between germans and poles. Warsaws old town a few days before the 80th anniversary of the start of the 2nd world war they almost walks this route every day on his way home from work the 29 year old german has lived in poland for 5 years he actively supports german polish Economic Cooperation but he didnt expect this particular debate topic to resurface. I was surprised when i heard about polands demands for german reparations and i was seriously shocked when i saw that many of my friends young poles who dont sympathise with the government saying that they could understand why the government wants this. Why they feel that germany has not yet built sufficiently with what they did to poland. 50 times more sauce oldtown is a symbol of german guilt the city was completely destroyed during the 2nd world war and then rebuilt without any help from germany. Now after almost 80 years berlin is being handed the bill. A Parliamentary Committee has been working on a draft for the government so they can finally put this topic to rest even though for decades they had already considered it closed. Berlin doesnt like the fact were talking about reparations we understand that. But for us. And important topic. At the moment we are still calculating the exact reparations. We want to present this to berlin very soon. But berlin doesnt seem open to this proposition so far they dont even want to talk about it. In the polish government has not even sent us an official message but if they do then the legal Situation Requires that we return to the treaty so if not 153. 00 and the 2 plus 4 treaty to put off 993. 00 the law considers these claims as regulated than they are for nonexistent. In fact in 1953 communist poland renounced reparations from germany so berlin suggested symbolic gestures instead here for example in the middle of the city there are plans for a memorial site for polish victims of the German Occupation during world war 2 to be built. Actively supports this idea he believes that such political gestures could make the upcoming historic debates easier. On guns because i think this would be a very important sign of compassion. It would be a symbol of empathy for the poles and the so on that we as germans should never forget what happened. And that is why must will be here on sunday when the president s of poland and germany remember the 80th anniversary of the german invasion. Youre watching the news still to come a face that any scientist would love a newly released image and the skull its based on could change our understanding of help engine humans evolved. Early you heard this by in munich the Football Club is over im joined by Chris Harrington from d. W. Sports chris why is only hurt is quitting now well according to board member admin. You know carl how did you make of the c. E. O. And former president chairman billy hunter didnt agree on many things particularly the head coach nico kobashi last season byron were under a lot of pressure and the 2 were split on call the touch only one is made it very clear that he backed nico kobach as the head coach in cars when it was never very clear and always suggested that his job was not safe kobach ultimately won the double and thats why hes still currently the barn manager but there were some other issues the board itself collectively impressed upon honus that maybe he was out of touch of present in modern day Business Practices and they needed to go in a different direction and we have more on the early one is replacement and the saga of the man that represents the heart and soul of byron munich in my opinion all in the form of report lets take a look at that now. Its a fine munich great is making way. Glue president only heard this as announced he is stepping down its hard to imagine buying munich without him. Ernest now 67 was a 3 time winner of both the bundesliga and european cup in the 70s he also won the 974 world cup and 972 euros with west germany. The success didnt slow down when he transitioned into management 1st as general manager and later as president has helped mold buy into the powerhouse they are today he stated the club to 2 Champions League titles and 20 bones as they get championships. His 40 year reign hasnt been without incident in 2014 her niece was jailed for of aiding over 28000000 euros in taxes he returned to his post 3 years ago following his release making his retirement so quickly afterwards somewhat puzzling for fans by and c. E. O. Miniger has had a rocky working relationship with her nurse and by and sources say this is a major reason for the decision by and have also failed to compete in europe in recent years but despite their current problems germanys record champions know much of their success is down to mr by an. Well there it goes flowers in his hands everything is there any word on who might succeed turnus as president well 1st let me make it clear the heart and soul of my music cant really be replaced but have it high now former adidas c. E. O. And current byron board member is set to replace early on as he has all of the boards backing as of right now doesnt have the football pedigree is really his as hes very relatable to players you know called a father figure by players their people have says in the Sports Department they might have had a more successful football career than haner but his business acumen is on point and they believe that hes the right man to push byron in the right direction now speaking of this Board Meeting and the membership all over caught byron legend goalkeeping legend was spotted at this meeting and it is been officially announced he will join the board january 2nd 2020 and its anticipated that he will actually replace karlheinz room nigga as c. E. O. In 2020 what time will tell if that actually materializes but i think that be a very good move because hes not so far removed from his playing days and hes a guy that can bridge that gap you know to empathize with the talent on the pitch something that only one as was magnificent its a big changes at a very Traditional Club what impact you think this is going to have on by many in the near future not much at all because this is still part of the board he will still will power he will have a bit of influence you know but at present i think it will be similar to last season we saw struggle to win the league i think that would be similar you know this season they started this season off a bit rocky but you know one thing they did very important is they extended their star striker robert levin dosti you know 11 dusky was one player very critical that why biron werent doing making bigger moves to. Again achieve success in europe and sign 11 dusk into a 2023 kind of secures their striking prowess up front so thats a very good move theyve added pieces such as kitschy nyo from brazil i think thats a huge move in terms of their Global Expansion so all in all 1st the bundesliga season Champions League and then well have another discussion after that. Sports thank you so much ok. Scientists have just released images of what one of our early ancestors could have looked like the reconstruction is based on a 3800000 year old skull found in ethiopia often seen as the birthplace of humankind announcing the scientific pining and researchers said the discovery changes our understanding of how ancient humans evolved its he and the far reaching of ethiopia more than 500 kilometers north of the capital at his ababa that this latest discovery was buried professor you had his Haile Selassie and his team found the ancient early human skull here in 2016 after only days of sifting through the sand 1st they spotted the odd job bone sticking out of the ground then uncovered the rest of the fossil my 1st instinct was the pieces were perfectly joint. And. Perfect grimier the skoll is 3800000 years old and about the size of a modern chimp and see its the most complete one of that age ever found giving the scientists a chance to reconstruct how this early human ancestor might have looked. You have his Haile Selassie is one of the worlds leading evolutionary scientists he says the find challenges ideas about how the 1st humans evolved from our ape like ancestor is. This is really. A game changer in a lot of ways and answers questions that weve had lingering around for decades and weve got the answers now from this beautiful specimen that we found thats because this new find has some distinct differences to another ancient skeleton found here by that of lucy probably the most famous human fossil its further proof that early humans were a diverse bunch with different species living in the same time period. Scientists say with this discovery they can now finally put a face to the name of some of our earliest ancestors. And just reminder the top story were following for you here today on day to be news Hong Kong Police have arrested joshua walang and other figures from the prodemocracy movement that has calls turmoil in the territory over the last 12 weekends protesters have now called off to morrows planned marches but locals say the arrests could invigorate the movement. For a watching news from berlin in our talks are coming up next we have quadriga were going to be looking at germanys upcoming Regional Elections of course and get all latest news information on our website at g. W. Dot com thanks for being with us. 3 good international. Journalists to discuss the topic. Shows are bracing for a clinical earthquake as to what Eastern States can do the cold to surging support through the right wing extreme amount to a litmus test for the federal government and tribunal 30 years later find out country. Quadriga next d. W. Hows your view of the world. Where i come from that all of thats good to cisco its just like with chinese food thats measure of where i am always reminds me of home after decades of living in germany chinas food is one of the things i miss the most but better taking a step back i see things how do you tell the difference between now and then of fluids 1st as an article in a sense that excludes the other part of the wall which havent been after the men that are in china thats me but im not a china people wondering if therefore it is safe to move but if i have arrived to another poster that is this is the job of journalism on how i see it and at the same why i love my job because i tried to do it exactly at this hour a day my name and the name to it and i want to add it up you. 2 germans are bracing for a political earthquake this coming weekend as 2 states in the eastern. Part of the country Regional Elections that could see right wing populist surpass mainstream parties to become the strongest Political Force in one or both states a dramatic surge in support for the alternative for Germany Party known by its german initials a. F. P. Would send shock waves that could up end politics not only in regional capitals but also in berlin nearly 30 years after the fall of the wall it looks as though east and west could be growing further apart rather than together. Why that is is our topic this week here on quadriga and here are our guests. On line she says German Society is just beginning to deal with the disappointment and trauma eastern germans experienced after the fall of the wall many people felt their experiences had been ignored the a. F. P. Feeds off these feelings. And its a pleasure to welcome my colleague Michele Knight shes chief Political Editor here at g. W. She says most of all these elections are about what options will be on the table when uncle americas final Coalition Government leaves office. And were very pleased to have alan posner back on the show hes an author and commentator for the daily newspaper. He says a generation after the end of naziism west germany experienced an appetite for a terry a 3 fold a generation after the end of communism east germany is experiencing for terry and revolt led by old men. So let me ask all of you and ill start with you and if i may to please explain for us the importance of these elections because were talking about 2 States Brandenburg and saxony that in fact have just over 6000000. 00 residents all together thats well less than 10 percent of the german population so why all the attention. Because germany is a federal state so the state just like said united states. So these states may be or even a small state on a big state they have a voice in the upper house of the German Parliament the blueness hard so its important simply for constitutional reasons the 2nd is that if the if he becomes the Biggest Party in one or both states they may force the other parties into a kind of horrible holds Board Coalition with. The greens the anyone who isnt. Mixing together in order not to form a coalition with with the f. T. With the far right and this is this would be terrible for democracy would be would be awful if if this would lead to a sort of stampede of democratic parties so anything but a f. T. It doesnt it only feeds their pride and would lead i think there. People who wonder why should i vote for not vote in other regional actions rather to vote for them in order to teach the other partys lesson can you just pick up on that your Opening Statement said that in effect the shock waves of a surge of support for the f. T. Would be felt in the capital berlin as well as in the states themselves why is that is this kind of a litmus test for the 2 mainstream parties the conservatives and the social democrats in a way its a fast forward of the decline that weve already seen in the past general elections that may well be on the horizon particularly for them ackles Junior Coalition partner the social democrat s. P. D. Who have been having waves of nervous breakdowns politically over the past couple of years and who are very much struggling to actually somehow stay within this coalition if they get another slap in the face at the ballot box and that could well set off a chain of events that would see them ackles self declared final term in office come to hold so thats whats at stake nationally lets just spell that out the s. P. D. Has been governing in fact ever since reunification as the leading party in brandenburg here telling us if they lose that status this coming sunday we could well see what them pull out of the federal Coalition Early elections i dont think one single event will be enough i think its just as interesting to see whether they actually how far below the double digits they go in the neighboring state of saxony because if they in the worst Case Scenario fail the 5 percent threshold and that would be complete catastrophe is such a loss of political status and were already seeing what essentially is a political standoff between the s. T. D. Now interim leadership theyre currently in a leadership struggle seeing or almost 2 dozen candidates going for that top role. So that could see a standoff between kind of the established leadership on the grassroots of the posse and were really seeing a posse struggling to keep itself together that in the Coalition Government now lets go back to these 2 states themselves that we heard and weve just heard this is a litmus test in a sense for the federal government is it also a litmus test for reunification 30 years after the fact. I would say that i think reunification there has been so much migration within germany i think almost 5000000 people. They moved from western germany to eastern germany and vice versa obviously too so i do think that our country is united but there are still many issues of which you can actually see that eastern germany is still as far along as western germany. In regards to economical status Financial Security all of these things and obviously also politically the f. T. Is much stronger in these in these states than it is in western western states but i have to say i dont agree with you on that it would be a catastrophe for democracy if the left party and the city you went into a coalition in book i think its actually quite interesting. Well the democracy of not interesting that there just reason on the list. What you needed new yorkers see is is. A balance between right and left and and if you have the seed you really forming a coalition with what used to be the communist government obama didnt use germany just to prevent. To avoid going into a coalition with the d. Then i think democracy really is being stretched to them its head and it. Interesting though it might be to see its within its head thats not something something id like it would also be hypocritical because quite frankly the if d. Is not worse than the left part you have both pseudo toted totalitarian. Democratic anti west anti nato anti european parties and i dont agree with me i just come back to the question of the unification and the success of reunification balloting hernot has said that in many ways east and west absolutely have integrated and converge but michel if we look at surveys recent surveys we see significant divergences in Political Attitudes for example one survey shows a great deal less support for democracy itself in the east than in the west i think its 42 percent of east germans said theyre enthusiastic about democracy compared with 75 percent of west germans too what do you attribute that kind of divergence and in fact less than half support in east germany for the system itself well essentially because in the eastern part democracy didnt deliver the goods it delivered new roads its a divots infrastructure but it kills tens of thousands of dogs and i think its safe to say that for east germans if you saw this complete turnaround of the political system in 89. 00 the price was a very high 1. 00 to pay and theres a lot of debate in germany about these broken biographies of people who never really found their feet professionally again. This essential breach of what they thought was kind of of path towards within safe jobs i mean thats one thing that you still need to deliver. Right now the government is discussing and that will probably go ahead a package with 40000000000. 00 euros to pay for restructuring of industry related to coal most of that will be in these Eastern States just to put it into perspective the finance minister reckons that a crisis the size of the financial crisis would cost 7350000000000. 00 euro so that is a lot of money that is now sent east but the experience of people in the east is that money didnt really solve the structural problems i want to come back to the economics in just a moment but alan looking at your Opening Statement talking about an authoritarian revolt say a little bit if you would about Political Attitudes in the east what did you mean by that and does that mean you see this far right party the a f t as a north or a tarion party yes id like to go to court you said because to say that democracy didnt deliver is simply wrong of course we delivered we live democracy itself we did it with freedom of speech we delivered freedom of movement we delivered freedom of expression we delivered a Party Democracy of which works as proved by the fact that the d. And the old left are allowed to take part in parliamentary elections the whole point if i make my if i say oh im for democracy as long as im as as im ok as long as the as the economy is ok then im not a democrat and thats the trouble with the with the germans generally in 933 when when 93233. 00 when economy went downhill the americans voted franklin d. Roosevelt and the germans were voted hitler and now after. From 33 to 89. East germany was under. The under fascist and communist rule they didnt know anything about democracy they never learned about democracy they werent taught about democracy and now theyre revolting against democracy and its the old men who never bothered who never question themselves who who were who in fact agreed with the system would be their peace with the system now they found another outlet for their horrible anti democratic attitudes its just a terrible terrible thing we were much too lenient on them after reunification but i love you actually thats exactly the point this is the thing that you sermons resent if you travel to saxony to them democracy didnt deliver on their expectations of what theyre for you think so i think the real thing promised and the last thing they want right now from politicians is to be elected on how democratic they are and whether their opinion is valid or not and this is exactly what leads to such broad support. For the far right whether you agree with it or not its a phantom phenomenon and its that i think that they do it they want their experiences to be validated they want the