Possibility of another Tiananmen Square in hong kong i think we should be concerned but i dont think its very likely tenement is still a troll for the Chinese Communist party. Beijing knows that it would be drastic if the p. L. O. A Peoples Liberation army actually went into hong kong and i dont think its necessary nowadays because the party has different means of putting people on the pressure that has all the technical means it has the companies that are being put under a lot of pressure now Cathay Pacific and many others so i dont see a big likelihood at the same time i dont see a very good outcome for the hong kong people its going to be a very unhappy ending a very unhappy ending ok what do you think that means sure what would be a very unhappy ending have you excluded as has the possibility of another gentleman square i think hong kong people theyre very well aware that china is trying to scare people with violence and the possibility of sending me i think many of them just try to ignore the fact or even if they know about this they would think that they have nothing to lose if it ends up like this they would they would take other action but that for now they only get to have answers from the government what do you think oh i dont think this is. Today because china always says its now a responsible big nation the International Word and theyre going to use force because in other International Conflicts china always says we want peaceful media to solve the problem they can be that china says when i have a problem my home becky art i just make my soldier i sent my soldier to give it clear that is no problem with underage in the book and not the outcome and is chinas going to set up where its 60 years of funding of the peoples republic china beginning of october thats coming up yeah i dont believe theyre going to be have a very very bad image in the International Press when the pira is marching to hong kong ok so china plays a very long game though the communist party in beijing. If we look at the past if we look at whats happened in tibet what happened in Tiananmen Square the internment of the weak corps i mean beijing is not adverse to reverting to force at the end of the day it couldnt work because hong kong has nothing Legal Framework this is a part of it not a system the legal frame with sess the peary could be essential hong kong if the c. E. O. Of the leader of hong kong officially os paging to do that about im not sink caroline is the leader of the citys going to do that ok well how is the west responded theres been a mixed response french and german leaders have called for dialogue about the situation the us congress has condemned chinas heavy handed Police ResponsePresident Trump has called on the chinese president to exercise restraint. But like to see hong kong worked out in a very humanitarian fashion io prisoner g. Can do it he sure has the ability i could tell you from personal logie certainly has the ability to do it if he wants to so id like to see that worked out humanitarian fashion i think it would be very good for the trade deal that were talking about. Believe its only donald trump whos responded to this in terms of a high level world of politician is the u. S. The only country that can bring pressure to bear on beijing i think hong kong people are trying to. The International Community not. Only the u. S. But also the also germany and lent to put pressure on china but they also very well aware that only if its only what it would like. Even if. Its china if there are no other action for example economic sanctions all. That was for them in anything what do you say. Expressing concerns kind of pressure and china has to syria take taking to consider. Sanctions not a way out a way out would be that beijing hong kong they going to negotiate in the framework of one country 2 systems about the way the timetable at least how the democrats democracy could be implemented in hong kong like a direct like a general election ok i dont know what im listening to terry though thats already been decided this 2047 when china resumes control of hong kong until then the Chinese People or the people of hong kong rather want democracy the way im hearing you is that gerry thats nonnegotiable yeah because for us we dont believe what were trying to. The extension a fun country system we dont want to believe that. By the way it will become chess and not the city of china we want to have an extension we want to have the 2 a system for africa ok the 2 system forever lets take a listen now to some of the protesters and what they have to say about their hopes their fears and their dreams franco. Component of the movie come out to protest the more people will be arrested but we still will not leave until we get what we want. Drew to more of those emotional talk those are both of. Those the north pole polls have been spoiled because when we see the recall vote from home to do this we can vote on more of them but if we use these phone calls democracy with different people we share the same belly with us and e. U. That we fight for democracy which i put just happens to be full of those countries and then go and speak up for. Ok after listening to those protesters are what were seeing is in hong kong or is it something thats shaping up to be another clash of cultures on one side a clearly a one party illogical system on the other a multiparty democracy that supports the rule of law is this a clash of cultures that were seeing take place focused on hong kong that has to do with china. I prefer the term competition of systems none of us has an interest in a real clash but definitely in a Global Situation where we have established western democracies on the one hand on the other hand we have a rise of or to retire in systems but china and that is part of the conflict that is playing out that is part of why the u. S. Is getting involved on a high level because the u. S. And china have this trade and Everything Else will going on so more trouble for xi jinping is something that donald trump obviously enjoys but its also something that concerns us in europe because in hong kong we say we see the playbook that china is using to handle dissent and called for democracy and that is a much much broader question how is it more of a clash or a competition and i prefer the word to the term coexisting because to system of the cool existence of what china doesnt want is that the between the want the 2 systems that one system is challenging the other should be equal existence it says to keep the hope one country stable. Is the wests approach right now a good one should the west back off a void provoking china not looking like its being involved in the protests right now. Speaking from the perspective of a hong kong person off cause we would light the west to speak out law to give more pressure to china but then maybe in the best interests of all these less than countries because of all the other reasons because of economy because of trade but then if we had just taken about the value off the mall crecy and favor them then obviously the west has this responsibility to send them how should the how should the west stay up stand up what does it need to do to show to the rest of the world that it indeed believes in the value. On which its based i think showing solidarity is important i think honesty is also important i would be very happy for leading european politicians to come out and say we support this this is illegitimate show of concern by the hong kong people china is trying to undermine the legitimacy of these protests and we should show no this is just a minute and on the other hand we should also be very open and saying. You cant get can expect this from us but you can expect more we have interests in china we are in a very different very difficult situation this is how far we can support you but please see the complicated situation that we are in ok our last question to you do you think this is going to end peacefully you are promoting a coexistence of the 2 systems is it going to end well. For the going to end well because a single way out is. Between Hong Kong Beijing and thats that they have to the homework they have to do right now and sit down at the table and Start Talking thats right shari we can talk more some point about extending the freedom past 2047 were out of time though id like to thank all of our viewers from around the world for joining us on quadriga today and of course our guests here as well. Dr thomas for all of us thanks so much for being with us. I believe. In the sinister world of modern slavery. We meet people who have been enslaved. I am the activists im afraid the