Opposition leader and self declared president juan what happens next. But thats normal and welcome to conflicts thank you thank you for having me. You have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you in the Actual Movement continues to make. Incredibly optimistic predictions about how the seating would go but why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000. 00 by this one and have lost 25. 00 pounds over the last year thats the beginning of a major famine you have been saying its unsustainable for the last 2 years up youve been saying its unsustainable because in our recent years becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day the due to. The mix who are going to harden very very well they will answer we examine why this is still there the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his Intelligence Agency is now safely ensconced in the area well its one. More now oh no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to 2 to get out and the situation is just an example of this council he will run out in the next year but in the last few days we had one guy go insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the Venezuelan Military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the 8800000000. 00 of Drug Trafficking and gold trafficking that has nothing to say about there on your side nothing to do is absolutely transparent on the you you failed to bring the military on time and so no on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban Intelligence Officers preventing them. Following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being tortured there have been over a 12 or 12 before one way or the excuse me before. One way though it took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued thats hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they inquired or in the middle im sure they dont necessarily want you. On me im not there on the moon as your movement im an ambassador for the movement. I think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that split tortures people it is causing a bigger existence syria this is not violates its own cause not a huge its not a big exodus and soon as this elusive least 12000000 people what we have to take into account those whove been one or 2 of 1000000 people its about 5000000 people a lot of that dont you have to get on the jury im talking about internally displaced what we will have environs later on a year by the end of the year and 8400000. 00 by the end of next year that far out of this idea thats out so to answer you i say doesnt our action that is are going to the u. N. H. C. R. The oas the u. N. A. C. R. Isnt exactly a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. Because human rights you knew that anyway so why is there such a big surprise that you were played by them why why because they took you for fools student the other no if they took us for fools i mean we would hope that the that the positioning of common defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i am fortunately i think that we rather im sure i didnt mean what it is that the people behind this and i was not personally involved i am an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. Not upwards the people who were behind this and took the decisions i think you know did what power ups. A bit naive about the amount of money being made by the military and their Drug Trafficking activities theres another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as youre trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you dont know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we dont we suspect its just a lot of our cards are very close out of Christmas Day or that are sometimes our began our yo gabba this is a competitive new you may see as alleged that you made a number of important mistakes but the people who pay for those mistakes are the people now according to the u. N. In just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th when the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using the resistance ration continued to starve we have 330000 venezuelans cars have been murdered you have very soon and by government sponsored our lives at risk 330000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 70000000. And the best you found to be with you are you can see and you and they. Are poorly conceived and easily want to just what are you after what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention im not here to answer your questions you didnt come here and so why do you say when i say im not asking you where i will read line here at what point do you know a thing the people to come out because youre putting more lives they want or than what all the other options than what do you recommend that attempt what happened on april 30th and may for us is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by this and i am going to do that and it didnt work when. People trust you know why should people come out to meet your listening because now they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deal style ok your and by the best and that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he is the hezbollah bad man they also say those issues raised your best gloss you know why is it about what our isis group says you dont tell us for america is that the only view of us remember the old Missouri National crisis script no that woman takes our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and motivated results are going to fail as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture im sorry to say that. If its no and we stand for despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the National Assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our Vice President is now disappear disappear in the classic latin american sense of the as n taken with no proof of life given and the rodeo insists in the last few days that we will as a nurse for the rights of all people know about a war and i just ask the question sure he has insisted in the last few days there is absolute unity in the opposition thats pretty hard to believe what do you mean of the Washington Post reports you dont move the 5th that some of the opposition Senior Leaders have become playing the blame game over what went wrong so its unlikely that youre now you know you saw all these injuries when they won the prosecution is absolutely across all Political Parties the National Assembly has members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all Political Party how can they know it isnt a team with them when your decision to venezuela has the president ial candidate i voted for you know critically no i didnt give or it is now im sorry im sorry what has happened is this after many years of the International Community blaming us a. Got your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one way the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single Political Party in the National Assembly by you know liberty hang on ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the International Community has fractured now you have the Montevideo Initiative the International Contact group the lima Group Conversations and have anna and conversations now all over the place and the irony is that thats the ultimate hypocrisy is that the International Community ok and like a bunch of squabbling children said the time when we have our act together since way and that is that you trails of my people since when have you discovered this newfound unity because by november last year the failure in trying to fight the fight stand by november last year the fights were so bad that luis salama political scientist former director of the National Electoral council such a huge out it was a show that here is very kind of destroyed january tattoo strong january tat 29000 is what i suddenly came together really yes of course under one way though when he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would always in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way you took the presidency what do you mean yes 100. 1 of the people visited all with. This one of the most visible opposition figures when the idea of took possession of the assembly the view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january dont be appointed as it has sidelined when you dont know how in the end it was finished and i just saw the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didnt have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition at the. Only his eyes wages are i says let us all in politics for a long time for good reason hes a 2 time loser president ial candidate and the he does not have the support of the venezuelan people wonder why they are so his views are only automatically to be dismissed because they dont coincide with no they dont coincide with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a Political Party he is not even really involved in the Political Party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if thats the pope is thats the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why they all and and he did the country and you can see him when he went on the tour at the end of the diaspora and you know unless he knows us and then i drove still in the president ial palace and new people trying to find protection while the president and the razzies in the president ial palace because that the Russian Military the international lath thinks that its perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors talk about the military have go there and have military advisors in Cuban Television as he talked about the military has signed up and that the elana Foreign Terrorist Organization which personally intimidated time or can we just can know how you dont know that on any stop the uprising mourns the how you same way the not some as i say going on we dont need speeches i want to talk about the military im going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one credo said he would probably accept a u. S. Military intervention if the United States proposed it you have been talking to the u. S. Military your movement has been talking to the u. S. My counterpart about changes to. Let me correct you if there are factually my counterpart in washington d. C. Vecchio will speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so youre pretty serious about this military intervention but im not serious well have a commander in chief that was my. Our president that is his decision to make he says hes already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u. S. Southern command he ordered qatar specter to have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by catalyst vecchio my counterpart in washington d. C. For monday such a move would also split the International Community again you say split anyway so youre not bothered about that European Union says it doesnt want military intervention the lima group says doesnt want military intervention you dont care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations and are and negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on the plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000 dollars that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives let me just say are and many many are about to see you so you can get on the plane going to the country yes so no justice and the accountability there will be simple whove been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the vendors who people are that a shot be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is a force that is obviously set up and. There are many ways that all of the document can download the document its called plan base and its in that we have a plan for Transitional Justice its in our governance bad for Transitional Justice and the truth and Reconciliation Commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because of done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the International Standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal and due to national law might well run counter to venezuelas International Global gauged. In january Human Rights Watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious Human Rights Violations thats incompatible with venezuela thats correct without no obligation thats correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i. C. C. So the major human rights lawyer tomorrow so who so you dont have those like guys who are full of b. S. And who are we to lose any that sounds on what the how the how the intern and we will take direction from the International Criminal court on how on crimes against humanity crimes people who commit crimes against humanity is a very different case and go into a different basket than people who are guilty of Money Laundering drug tunnel through my monitor im talking about people who murder who torture who are doing forced disappearances yourself. Youre saying let the whole law get out you know we are saying we are using this no nation when you are a museum like gaz your facts are wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president president president has distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not care that misty period and thats in keeping with International Law so im not sure where youre getting a fact is about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview youre wrong so why if im so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldnt be doing gonzales on whats in their minds i can only speak to the 5 a day where i didnt hear these words either i dont know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week whats extraordinary also is that not only you are free amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but youre bound to offer to give them a place Transitional Government. Lets think about that for a move just that it has now you know not how there is a lot of forgiving do you think will be that is something that will be announced and with the men as well and people in want for what form or are you going to say i will be it will be put to them it will be put to them and Transitional Government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to a major famine 7000000 of whom are in danger imminent danger of dying and or in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just a humanitarian comparison is being is our side of this regime who is shooting people for carrying out their views are valid chime in this dispute are you telling me then that just this to you and sasha becomes no transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credited to them even if theyre going to the government even if they do the military really if they have not is crimes well that is something yes that is long as we get the regime transferred back of the country transitioned the baggage into this what do you mean i am absolutely certain we need this dictatorship drug cartel gone so that my country going to be that is self a gag any pros theyre not theyre not a government they do not have badness right they were not have that is they have a gun they have the guns and we need the guns for territorial control as well we are also invaded by Foreign Terrorist Organizations there are also bombing our allies and our neighbors there have been 2 terrorist attacks by then you might well. Look at it and you might well call in the. Us military to do the work for where there are very many militaries who would be out of the Colombian Military has asked for permission to come in and kill the terrorists you can trust that im taking that day trust on your tresses without donald wait wait a minute wait a minute youre missing here im taking on your missing irish walking about asking the u. S. Military to come in if the u. S. Military is 1st of all you have to have not worked with the military the u. S. Military is not donald trump 2nd of all there is are there is a commander in chief at least as a military hes the commander in history of islander and chief of the military but its interesting that r. J. That does not thats a relevant try really i guess of course im not here to comment on venice or the u. S. Politics im here to comment on my country you wont comment on the commander in chief of the military that you may ask to come i am not outraged and i have not been able to understand your movement. And i have not commented on it and. That is not mike in that i am not commenting on i am not a representative of the Us Government i am a representative of the why the government period i am here to discuss my country and the blood on the hands of the model dictatorship which is actually the worlds biggest drug cartel importing drugs live t. V. Said that already. We now know that high in the full talks have taken place in norway siren plea not direct talks correct mediated by norway whats happened in these talks. Oh not much is the answer is the short answer to that so what how theyve been totally unproductive yet they were totally unproductive there were an initial out we each so because the group the International Contact group and the us that you. Love to comment on were all the other ones too well its one way that were aware that nor you know and the un also again not a bastion of right wing nuts. You know were aware of these talks and we sent representatives from why they were government the mother said. To representatives they did not try to gather they did not speak to each other they did not have breakfast together somewhere in the point once the man it was with the norwegian or fish bowls to state their position and under what conditions they would negotiate we stated so thats the next step so we stated we were very clear and my president has been very clear and he has stated it once again online yesterday whats the next step that we will enter into any we will enter into good faith negotiations that entails and of those 3 step plan we have laid forward since january general sense of the system of these tools of course through our own dishes setting the conditions of course there are conditions to talks there are conditions to any talks you buy a house there are conditions so its a little different well of course thats right there are 30000000 lives at stake so oh yes if there are conditions for your purchase of a house or your does so youll get a valid save even 30000000. 00 youre going to lay down preconditions which the other side is going to refuse help for as though we have now we the other side is the one that never met its conditions the model regime is the one who has said it does not want to elections we are not blocking free and Fair Elections the maduna regime has and the motherhood a regime is the one that has extended talks in the past what has happened is one that we have had dialogues and we had the dialogues according to they chose the place they chose the. Timing they chose their representatives they kept our political leaders imprisoned and we set it free the Political Prisoners know free and they just carried on and in the meantime they have stolen more money is even if you more of these tortured more pete is it a precondition of these talks that mothers are not doing step is correct absolutely and what makes you think that theyre going to do that for you because you think because they were negotiating to get him out already there has been a great others are saying you. Know they were arent they are you are convinced they are serious yes absolutely i know for a fact they were. I that i can all just goes on there but i know for a fact that they have been negotiating actively with us and also with other countries to find a way to take them there are countries that have said that they will take them through these talks are quite advanced you think you can. Deal with it takes all this really take what of all that in the negotiations that may actually no illusion no way of saying when you have 30000000 People Living under a dictatorship using the various models is just sour a more you are very all conditions could do since the key condition is more than end of the usurpation the Transitional Government which is to be negotiated and free and Fair Elections with proper International Observation i dont see how thats a winner take all out or my country is dying under the under the guy gaze of a fractured and conflicted International Community that has just watched my people die and be tortured and done nothing about here International Community is going to want my dog recognition he said i mean im going from inside the country that you know he absolutely does have it from inside the country said people on the streets thats not the same thing isnt what it what do you expect that people on the streets as power people on the streets its love. People on the streets is support people on the streets as an expression i mean because the calm and hope and the other of the crowd and throw ice our future and it can come and go well this is certainly one for mother would have didnt it thats right because he he wont get out of the way and he had a you know he was there on a fraud he is there as a torch euro he is there is someone who did not what was going to say i read that he is still there and why are we out and are we going to sign our duty now we are not on the outside we are in the hearts of the venezuelan people we all and with that legitimacy of the of all the western democracies all the demaio all the countries that are liberal democracies that have rule over all recognize our constitution and they recognize the legitimacy of one by the all that we are in a situation where a drug cartel has taken all the leaders of power by the way doesnt mean youre going to succeed so youre they are does decide does that mean youre going to see them die trying we have no option but to fight for our people i will fight for my people until i draw my last breath but thats a little thanks very much thank you thank you. 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