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A cry ive set up a very key tell brics a plan which i think is the most credible of any of the parts of plans out there that much of my anybody would want to be needed if the conservative party like you can get that together they said. You stand by your proposal to cut taxes on fire at this. Level to save the banks and. Also coming up tonight is a guaranteed income from birth to death the answer to a future in which robots do the work people used to do. And thats the 3040 years will make machine like a people so how can we change the Education System to make kids able to compete with their Computers Robots deficient alligators. Or do our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the race to replace to reset may the contest to become the next british Prime Minister and the new head of the conservative party is now under way and while that may be the new headline the story it remains the same just as it was with theresa may the next Prime Ministers tenure will be dominated by one challenge taking the u. K. Out of the European Union the seemingly Impossible Task known as brecks it now if you are a betting man or woman and i know some of you are here is a look at how the bookmakers are stacking the odds at the moment now the favored candidate is Boris Johnson there is the former foreign minister was the face of the leave Campaign Johnson says that if he becomes Prime Minister he will take the country out of the e. U. On october 31st deal or no deal another hotly tipped contender is environment minister Michael Goves he was also a high profile leaf campaigner back in when hes 16 he recently admitted to using cocaine 20 years ago when he was known for his tough anti drug stance that could hurt his chances of you 19 his fellow tories and then there is dominic robb you remember him a former breaks it minister he says that he will broker quote a fairer deal with the European Union including renegotiating the Northern Ireland border issue now keep in mind the e. U. Says there will be no new negotiations and then theres jeremy hunt britains current foreign minister hes regarded as even tempered and competent but some feel he lacks the broader appeal that other candidates have and here is what these people and some of the other candidates are saying about the job they would like to hammer through. But over the last 3 years politics has failed dismally is a spell to deliver on the biggest democratic decision in our history fulfilling that democratic decision is now urgent and vital it cannot and will not be put off any longer leaving the e. U. On the 31st of october is for me a hard red line why havent we left well i think there are 2 reasons i think that some of the people involved in this negotiation i dont really believe them but i think some of them have felt that this was a problem to be managed rather than opportunity to be grasped but you know what its not enough just to believe in brics that youve also got to be able to deliver we have a divided on our central promise at the last general election which was to leave the e. U. By the end of march this year so we look incompetent and we are very divided i divided country does not a leg to a divided party. So its going to be very tough however we all know we shouldnt be here today because we should have left 73 days ago unfortunately the remain lobby have used every trick in the book with the vision of keeping britain in the e. U. And going against the votes of the British Public so off i thought goes on. The fight was on with joining me now at the big save the talk about the fight of the man here is the best in much of his time in the u. K. Remaining in the European Union im happy to welcome back here to the program roger casale hes founder of the new europeans its a group that lobbies for the civil rights of british citizens in the u. K. He is also a former labor m. P. In the bridge parliaments good to have you back on the program roger i hear that congratulations are in order the organization you founded new europeans has been awarded the Schwarzkopf Europe award and that award recognizes excellence in strengthening the european idea so congratulations in getting that in the era of the unresolved breaks that delimit how did you do that well its its a good question but im pleased that you know that there are plenty of british people working in a very positive way in europe who believe in the european project and want to make a contribution and it would be a week a European Union if britain has to meet and consent as you know is very much for the rights of e. U. Citizens in britain and british people in the e. U. Whose lives have been in limbo for over 3 years now for 3 years now with an uncertain future ahead of them and we do our best with our green Card Campaign to secure of safeguard their rights but were not quite were not quite there yet not quite there yet you know you and i weve talked numerous times because of drugs and now were talking again and now were. About a possible new Prime Minister the front runner to become the Prime Minister and we heard Boris Johnson who says briggs it will happen october 31st deal or no deal theres even talk of not paying the bill that the that the u. K. Would over the e. U. Which would be a breach of contract or to take a listen to what the e. U. And one of johnsons rivals what they have both said about this what is on the table has been approved by has been negotiated successfully by the commission that has been approved by all Member States and the election of a new Prime Minister that will of course not change. But im not there so what is on the table that is you know. The danger is that if we vote for a potential Prime Minister who said what everyone happens im going to leave on october the 31st we will be voting for a Prime Minister who will not be able to deliver bracks it before theres a general election the conservatives will lose that general election and that choice will lead to jeremy coleman. Is that what is going to happen are we going to see a general election and are we going to have a Prime Minister jeremy corben. That could be a general election or they could be. A government of national unity. I dont think there will be breaks it on the 31st of october and i dont think that the new conservative leader who will become the Prime Minister will survive for very long ago i dont well you and i weve spoken before about what can happen and the last time we spoke you were in favor of Parliament Passing teresa mayes brigs withdrawal plan with the provision of that another a peoples vote another referendum be added on to it that didnt happen what do you think is going to happen now we put forth a compromise proposal that was voted on twice we got that. But it wasnt passed by the house of commons and i think now were not into territory where compromises are possible there is one of the leadership candidates rory stewart who is speaking the language of compromise but i think we are a long way away now from being able to find a compromise within the house of commons so i think one of the options that would be reflecting on is if faced with no deal and no view of brechts it should they pull the Emergency Court should they should they were developing article 50 and i think that that is something that is fighting much in the minds of m. P. s who understand how damaging it would be for the United Kingdom to leave without a deal so are you are you foreseeing been a summer and early alderman which there is a new Prime Minister conservative if you cannot deliver bribes and then Parliament Says ok we have to forget about all of this is that what youre so i think it could happen as early as this week the name of party have tabled a motion for debate tomorrow. Which would give parliament the power to stop another deal brechts it but is there enough support there in parliament for yes i believe that with that with me for our viewers just to explain to them i mean you would need what percentage are we talking about would you need in parliament in order for this for emergency work to be pulled the revoking article what do you need a straight majority so your simple majority. They debate tomorrow is a procedural issue but its extremely important because if the motion that is being tabled on a cross party basis by the Labor Party Liberal democrats and the Scottish National party has passed normally in the house of commons the government controls business but this motion would give control of business in this matter of stopping breaks it into 2 back to the house of commons and its not saying were going to revoke article 50 is saying that if were if britain is heading towards a no deal breaks it then we will stop that theres no thrice ation from parliament for a new deal breaks and you think that there is enough support across Party Support to get the least the resolution tomorrow passed or yes we very nearly got pasta last time and i think tomorrow will get possum people are very nervous about the conservative leadership race and the prospect of a Prime Minister trying to take britain out of the European Union without a tail and that would need Parliamentary Authority and i dont believe that the mandate is there from pond do that how do you explain the support for the popularity for Boris Johnson that he is the front runner and everything that we have seen is when he goes out into the country signs and talks to conservative Party Members there the support for him is overwhelming well 1st ones in his top his audience have a number of years as a Television Pundit as a journalist as a conservative politician as the mayor of london which gave him a very important platform at the time you have to admit thats an achievement hes a tory and he got. Labor voting one didnt to make him mayor yes hes good at winning elections its mean to say that he would be good at running the country and i think that a lot of conservative m. P. s have the same concern its interesting the powers johnson has not been in the media very much a last few weeks he knows the critical electorate for him over the next couple weeks of tory m. P. s who will decide which of the 2 conservative candidates go through to the final ballot and we know that at the end of next week if that does happen if we go if we get that far do you do you also foresee him as being the next Prime Minister its hard to see who is going cant stop Boris Johnson from achieving that and how they can do that what do you mean hearing on this side of the channel if you will i mean we hear people say in one day in saying that theyre even willing to they want new negotiations but the e. U. Has already said we had 3 years in the years usually there will be no new negotiations what are the other europeans value. The. They can be they no new new negotiations and thats entirely credible this wasnt a deal between theresa may and drunk or young could lose a deal between the European Union and the United Kingdom and change the Prime Minister is going to change is going to change anything that doesnt stop conservative candidates trying to claim that. They know are unrealistic but do the voters believe them when they say they will demand changes to the Withdrawal Agreement or that they will make the impossible possible well voters will be conditioned by the rhetorical in terms of which of the 2 candidates they vote for at the moment its just a question of whos going to win the race but its we have a famous horse race in Great Britain called the grand national once a year. And one of our journalists in the u. K. Described the tory leader. Can rice has that as the grand national of unicorns and not of course its things that dont exist. Once and is promising huge tax cuts out of this a promising things that they must know perfectly well around in liverpool and its a symptom of a broken politics in the u. K. The fragmentation of politics and of a stand of politics that is. Really something quite foreign fit for the u. K. To have politicians promising things that they know. Nothing to they know that theyre not true they know that they come theres no nation or in which they could be treated. I would also say rogers the british politicians are not the only politicians who were guilty of that project as well as always its good to have you on the program we present you coming in to think you could see. How we pay the bills and earn a living the kind of work people have greeted the day with well it has changed over the decades and centuries just as much as societies relationship to labor has changed it is a volatile relationship and one that looks set to change dramatically yet again in this century. Like he player in our relationship with work is the International Labor organisation the celebrating its 100th anniversary it says Climate Change shifting demographics and migration pose the Biggest Challenges to ensuring a decent and she main Work Environment for everyone for its 2nd century the iowa low is aiming for a future with labor and ending modern slavery which the iowa low says affects about 25000000. 00 people globally and then there is perhaps the biggest. Of all automation and Artificial Intelligence many jobs that exist today will soon become obsolete at least for humans the challenge for the aiello how to when sure enough new jobs are generated to replace those lost in the march of technology. The latest example youre looking at right now trucks with out drivers on the highways transporting mail the United States Postal Service is running in test right now with these giant 18 wheelers economists say it is only a matter of time before Truck Drivers as we know them today have their own chapter in the history books. But will there be enough jobs in the future will full employment even be realistic perhaps those are the wrong questions to perves tonight wed like to look at the future of work through the lens of a future with not problematic employment but rather guaranteed income my next guest says that a guaranteed basic income for everyone would solve many of the problems that are being created by todays disruptors jeff crocker is editor at the universal basic income form he joins me tonight from bristol in the United Kingdom he joins me tonight on the phone good to have you on the day you say that if we do not change the way we think about work and income we will never be able to get out of what has become a vicious circle what do you mean by that. Well there are several dimensions to that question and one is that income labor income has become insufficient to purchase the things that people need so ive got a graph running from 194820164 the u. K. Economy and that shows very conclusively that over the whole 70 year period we start off with earning enough to fund Consumer Expenditure but now were in a position where Consumer Expenditure is consistently higher than earned income so in a modern Technology Economy think him is insufficient to buy the things that we need and indeed that income is being supplemented by Household Debt that Household Debt becomes an repayable from the same wages that have been inadequate and we get the economic crisis as we had in 2007 so our our failure to think creatively about the nature of work and income in the Macro Economy is what has led us to crisis a couple of months ago you tweeted this want to show our viewers did you know that basic income can help you rethink how in why you work with the basic income you can reconsider all the choices and retrain safe in the knowledge that youll have enough money to maintain a decent standard of living i mean thats a big promise to me. Is it a realistic problems. It my view it certainly is so on our website q b i dont or what your viewers might like to look at we set out the fundamental cases for basic income there are several brief ones one is social justice one is administratively cost one is the micro economy that i just mentioned but another is Human Flourishing in other words if people have a secure income they were labelled be able to make life decisions in a much korea where they where that some of that is to take more leisure and why not because the hours worked per week of gone down from 70 hours many years ago to 40 hours a week now so you know work has changed from the days when we were living in fields to the days in the factory to the bays on the computer and the number of hours a week has changed so that basic income what allowed Human Flourishing and choices what about the notion of why we work there has to be a rethink there are 2 dozen. Yes i think so i mean work has classically of course been a source of income but we now see that certainly in many economies work is not a source of sufficient income so weve got the phenomenon of poverty in work and in work benefits being paid to people there that work is no longer sufficient income there are as youre implying other reasons for work of course people have a sense of identity and ability for creativity selffulfillment sociate socialization so all of those things are very important but work is not necessarily the only place the only way to get those those benefits of identity and socialization there are other ways once we begin to realize that we can be free and in fact the 95 factory of the night by office is not necessarily the best way to help us if that technology is making other options available to us would start at the basic guaranteed income would that signal the end of capitalism as we know it well on the contrary actually i think it will signal the survival of the market economy as we know it i think that without some basic income the present capitalist system will go through repetitive crisis as it did in 20072008 because in High Technology economies the wage is no longer sufficient to buy the out put so output is growing faster than the wage component theres not sufficient aggregate demand in the economy thats whats leading to increased debt and thats whats leading to a collapse as basic income would actually overcome the crisis problem but capitalism faces and jeff i can imagine that organizations such as the idea of the International Labor organization they may not like this idea of a big guaranteed in on am i right. Yes you are in one sense i mean i dont know the whole card over the aisle and its great to respect of course but i think youll find a range of opinion certainly within the trade Union Movement there is a tendency not to like a basic income because they feel that. Its the way for which they negotiate and where they have a role as an important factor and the argument from the basic including myself is that like it or not the wage is becoming less of a tool for livelihood than it used to be and technology is causing that its not replacing all of us by robots instantaneously but it is meaning that the wage component of the output we produce is decreasing. The universal basic income from joining us tonight from bristol in the United Kingdom its fascinating topic and its a brave new future jeff thank you we appreciate your insight. Thank you to. It is a major win for gays and lesbians on the continent where they really have a reason to celebrate botswanas High Court Today overturned a colonial era law criminalizing gay sex its a landmark case for africa the board said that the should not regulate private acts between consenting adults and that penalizing people for whom they are is disrespectful the Court Unanimously rejected walls which have previously carry descendents of up to 7 years in prison for the ruling makes the country a pioneer in Subsaharan Africa where most countries still in force was against homosexuality and it comes less than a month after Kenyas High Court upheld a wall making homosexuality a grown. Or here in germany the countrys Health Minister is backing legislation to ban conversion you know thats the term for socalled treatment aimed at changing the Sexual Orientation of gays and lesbians some here in germany who have undergone conversion therapy are working to make the practice illegal today bastiaan measure is open about his homosexuality but getting to this point was agony as a devout christian being gay seemed like a sin discussion groups and socalled conversion therapy were meant to heal him but dr even tried to drive out his demons. After he saw a big black form coming out of my back and that this was supposed to be a really big evil demon that was causing my homosexuality and. Germanys Health Minister wants to stop such methods and ban gay conversion therapy he has the support of doctors and lawyers boston moshe also sat on the committee the experts opinion is clear. On all the relevant to Major Medical experts associations have clearly stated that homosexuality is neither a disease nor a disorder thats why from a medical or psychotherapeutic standpoint theres no need whatsoever for treatment 100. Given the considerable psychological stress conversion therapy causes the Committee Also says a ban is logical and legitimate after those mine thats why in my view the needs to be a strong signal from the state and also from lawmakers in order to protect homosexuals from performers izing discrimination stigmatism and suffering. Bust and measure is fighting for the acceptance of homosexuality and to keep others from going through what he did. Well the day is almost over but because that conversation continues online youll find us a d. W. News on twitter or you can follow me at blent t. V. Dont use the hash tank the date and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that everybody. 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