Is not really such an impulse and conrad despite some of this uncertainty in germany it seems that things are looking up economically at least tell us more about that. Yes we got new data positive data today efore Economic Research institute came out with the announcement that it would increase its forecast for german g. D. P. Growth this year to two point three percent thats four tenths of a percent higher than the previous forecast and the bundesbank our National Reserve bank here in germany writes in this monthly report that the economic upswing here in germany continues through the current Fourth Quarter and one for a reason for this is stronger factories factory orders in the german Manufacturing Sector are going to have risen in front that good to see. The london is set to news to the European Unions most important agencies following britains decision to leave the bloc the European Medicines Agency and the European Banking Agency will now move to other destinations but its up to the a use remaining twenty Seven Members so vote on who exactly lands of braggs it windfall. That some of europes most glamorous that the nation but this isnt about choosing your next holiday these are just some of the cities battling it out for two highly prestigious prizes. Now they may not look like much but these two institutions help keep europe running the responsible for the money and health of its citizens the m. A. And a. B. A. Are currently based in london said theyre going to need a new home combined they employ hundreds of people and will bring in talent money and prestige to whoever hosts the next making these cities keen to prove they can turn the u. K. Into their again. One country could make hopefully the future home for the European Medicines Agency sama so keen theyve thrown their name into the hat for both agencies brussels for example already home to vast government institutions it argues that having as many e. U. Bodies in one place as possible is the way to go. A lot stay with this decision not only does it help shape the landscape of the bracks it but when it comes to the e m a medical experts say nothing less than the future of Public Health is at risk if it staff arent happy with the choice its feared many could refuse to leave london so the importance for us will be that the Business Continuity of the agency is ensured and that access to life saving treatments is not delayed or reduced for the patients in the u. K. And in europe so will it be beaches bikinis and banking on the sun sea and science labs thats what e. U. Leaders will have to decide later today. When American InvestmentBank Goldman Sachs will have hops in paris and frankfurt breaks it goldman c. E. O. Noida blankfein told french newspaper le figaro the employees currently in london will be able to choose between the two cities off the u. K. Leaves the bank will also han yusof to help fill out the offices goldman currently has six thousand employees in london the new hopes will ensure the banks access to the Single Market post it. Just there now for the latest on the refugee crisis in asia which is growing by the hour absolutely helena were heading to myanmar now because Foreign Ministers from asia and europe have gathered there and get International Outrage at the plight of the hindu refugees who are fleeing the country ministers pressured me on mars de facto leader aung sang suu kyi over the violent persecution of the countrys Muslim Minority the top diplomat frederica mogul raney expressed her hope that many would be allowed to return from neighboring bangladesh. Now germanys foreign minister was also at the meeting he too expressed confidence that an agreement could be reached through one of the two windows firstly its ok to have a car and bangladesh want to do everything they can so that the refugees can return back home but they must reach an agreement which is being prepared now the main question is how safe is the region and what will the Living Conditions there be like the city predicted its clear the government here in myanmar must create a safe environment a human for refugees to come back to work. And hundreds of thousands of real him to have fled bangladesh where they are living in dire conditions on the way to the summit germanys foreign minister visited a refugee camp in bangladesh and our correspondent all over salat sent us this report. This is the Fastest Growing refugee crisis worldwide seen from a Bangladeshi Air force helicopter almost eight hundred thousand drew him to have fled the violence in neighboring me on march many of them including thousands of children have sought refuge here at the kuta up along refugee camp. The makeshift camp is just two and a half months old and reaches as far as the eye can see humanitarian aid organizations are struggling to fight the outbreak of diseases they fear they might lose this fight as soon as the monsoon season begins. The qutub how long camp lexx most facilities there are almost no toilets and there is not enough clean Drinking Water the camp is massively underfunded together with an International DelegationGerman Foreign minister received visit at the camp to form his own impression of the situation. I mean we just met children whose parents were murdered whose villages were burned down there was Human Trafficking in even organs and symbols here in huge makeshift settlements without any controls the worst things imaginable are taking place people must be given the opportunity to return the German Foreign minister says the International Community has to step in he says germany will make twenty Million Euros in direct aid available to help improve the sanitary conditions but he stressed that the goal must be to help or hinder refugees return home. American cult leader Charles Manson has died in a california hospital at the age of eighty three in the late one nine hundred sixty s. Manson ordered murders including of the actress sharon tate in one nine hundred sixty nine that shocked the world manson said that he hoped to spark an apocalyptic race war but ended up behind bars he was still in custody when he died of Natural CausesCharles Mansons mug shots has become synonymous with manipulation and murder he gained notoriety as the man who plotted gruesome killings that shocked and scandalised america at the height of one nine hundred sixty s. Come to coachella colors mattick convict assembled a band of young followers they would become known as the manson family and their leader was fixated on the notion of an impending race war and incited them to murder in the summer of one nine hundred sixty nine they began a killing spree the actress sharon tates Beverly Hills home where they stabbed her and four others. In court and facing a possible Capital Punishment a grinning manson was asked about to follow are testifying against him. Almost you know. More. He and four others received life sentences but were spared the Death Penalty over the years his image has continued to hold the american consciousness from behind bars he died of not true colors on sunday having never shown public remorse for his crimes. A quick reminder of the top stories that we have been following for you before we go german president. Says that he is not yet prepared to call fresh elections after talks on forming a new Coalition Government collapsed meyer said that he will now meet with various parties and urge them to rethink. Zimbabwes president Robert Mugabe has defied pressure from his zanu p. F. Party to step down by midday today that is despite being sacked as the partys chief ruling Party Lawmakers are reportedly discussing impeachment plans. Youre up to date on news im sarah kelly in berlin thanks so much for watching well see you next time. Quandary your special juggling. Coalition troops coming home for. 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L o n a very warm welcome indeed to a special edition of quadriga coming to you from the home in a gemini is today facing an unprecedented crisis talks on forming a new Coalition Government following september election broke down it was one of the smaller parties in the full way negotiations business the business friendly free democrats. Under their leader christiane clinton or that pauls. Saying there was no shared vision and not enough trust to form a new government at all leaves chancellor Angela Merkels future hanging in the balance she was aiming to begin a fourth term in office now though all the talk is of possible fresh elections and in the meantime a long period of damaging uncertainty for germany and europe so our question here on our quadriga special show is Coalition Talks collapse disaster for germany and to discuss that question im joined here in the studio by three excellent guests beginning with venice on our journalist and author and one of the outstanding commentators on german politics and over four decades of. Also with this is alan posner welcome back alan hes a commentator for develops newspaper and a very warm welcome to to all rika had a man from another berlin based day leave the taps for time titled thank you for being here on this or spacious or an auspicious day im not quite sure verizon or berlin is in a state of shock according to one newspaper headline this morning do you share that assessment yes or no certainly the political the Political Class and this isnt a shock situation but germany is not in a crisis germany as such is doing very well economically not politically at the moment but overall germany is not in a crisis situation we face we are facing a domestic political crisis for sure one that we have not had in our history and the word password right now is uncertainty so to go home and you would not immediately as valid said were not in a crisis no sir no sign of crisis on the rise and thats all well no because im going to macular chances the in charge and whatever how she lets my foot remain the chancellor its only the question hala through germany. We have this experiment of minority government which which would be new for germany but i think it would work or whether we have new elections but then again i think america will gain in votes and will be stronger than before so im i just agree that we are not in a crisis. This surprises me. You know most german commentators this past week have been asked the question will will the talks be broken off with any stage leading to fresh elections or whatever the next in iraq is going to be were going to have to talk about that theyve all said no no its not going to happen and then you guys are sitting here and saying its the most normal thing in the world we didnt say that ok you know it is not normal but you know just as you said and in this film at the beginning the problem of the liberals they have a very small party and indeed they are not fit to rule because they didnt have enough people who fit for government they didnt have a program that would have lurked and to they didnt have enough Technical Knowledge in order to be part of the government so what we dont have a general crisis what we have is a liberal party thats not fit to rule ok if you know the opportunity very shortly to talk the liberal today well see whos going to talk to them from the other side first of all your assessment where are we today well i want to come back to you said about were sitting here saying on this crisis there is of course a crisis of the chattering class i think this is the third time weve been wrong you were wrong about bricks that everyone must think never going to happen around about trump never going to happen and i personally was wrong about it because im on record saying of course jamaica is going to happen its just a question of finding the right compromise formula and and the question is really why did the liberals pull out and its not one second for you go into why the liberals pulled out just explain for our viewers the use of the word which is we have to explain to time again jamaica whats it all about ok well. Lets me look lets make a means a coalition of the christian democrats. Right wing conservatives the as you put it business friendly free democrats im not sure theyre really business friendly because business is very we journalists have to tag them with something when i call them liberals a little freedom ok and the green party i think theyre all three of them fairly business friendly but different aspects of business but so this is the socalled jamaica black green yellow as the flags are making and this these coalition this coalition has just fallen apart right starting before even we started to mention i really thought it was going to happen these were exploratory talks before real talks for a government could be formed and then what then going to be given the approval of the parties involved at some stage in the very distant future yeah absolutely but these talks went very much into detail and i think they had like two hundred sort of points to tick off and they you know they got they got incredibly far they had agreed basically on the question of immigration the greens were ready to accept a level upper limit to immigration where they had always said never never no no no the. The the party in the right the bavarian Christian Christian union. The conservatives they were ready on the other hand to have some kind of more green policy closing down coal power coal fired power stations which the greens want and you know and everyone really thought well the liberals would sort of be in the middle and they all sort of slipped through but they decided this is the interesting thing they decided last minute no we dont want to govern and i dont think its not because they can its anyone can be found if they dont want to and the reason is i think they want to go in the direction of a populist National Democratic party and take the voters of the far right a f d who got thirteen percent there also elections your turn to. Germany anti immigrant anti you and theres been sort of Christian Lin the leader of the crew of the probusiness Free Democrat Party the broads has been making sounds like this for some weeks now and i think his idea is i dont have to govern now ive got four years ive got eight years time im a young guy i can build my party into the. Right wing formation to the right of im going to marco and the christian democrats and then i can join government with twenty percent of my belt in four years or an age is that what hes aiming at. Orica dog wallace agreed yes i agree but it doesnt you know its both true they were not fit to govern or to rule and at the same time he has this idea of becoming a National Party i agree but this you completely but they would if they had gone and became part of the government they would have failed so thats part of the truth but the main question right now is the blame game was to blame you know and it was not a last minute decision. As a decision that obviously took weeks to go and then you try to come out as the big hero last night but everybody everybody can see it didnt work that way he he wanted to get out and he wanted to make the statement i want to make this point and hes trying to force this government into new elections lets just were talking about chris and lets just lets have a quick look at what he had to say lets go to lets get an impression go give our viewers an impression of the man himself because he has been widely viewed in german politics in recent times as a man of the future a charismatic political politician i was noting lets get a flavor of the man him self. We were being forced to cast away our principles and everything that weve fought for over the years. We will not let down our voters by standing behind policies of which were not at all convinced that. Its better not to govern than to govern badly so would you. Tell us a little bit more about the man himself hes viewed very often as one of the most capable politicians in german politics is this a Long Term Strategy that he has been involved with here and gauged him well you see he was part of the liberal party full quite a long time since he was twenty or Something Like that and whats more even though even even much younger so from a very early age on woods he was full time petition for the labor party and what he saw in two thousand and thirteen was how his liberal party was thrown out of parliament because they had failed in government together with until america is dead and buried yet been buried in evil as the one who men is all on by himself as a one man show the Research Action of the liberals and of course he whole part is traumatised they hardly any of them really wants to rule again but im going to america because then they fear that they would again be thrown out of parliament do you believe that it is being in a coalition without going to buy us time and time again so that you have a afraid of lot but id like to Say Something about the strategy that. Somehow sketched for the liberals i think it will not work if we have no new elections i think that it is true that the liberals could get some of the votes from the right but on the other hand many of their traditional voters who voted for them now again will leave for the christian democrats because for them its no longer attractive to vote for the liberals now that the liberals have shown that they are no long. Ready to govern on to be part of the. Cabinet so they will go to america so in the in the end you know thats what i think. Not have more votes but he will have a different basis more to the right and i dont. Agree totally with your characterization of lynn is i mean he is incredibly charismatic i know him i meet him and i think ive met him cover time in you know in smaller groups and so on and hes just so different from the run of the mill liberal you know. Hes just really quite fascinating and it is a kind of person you know fight for dinner and have a really good time with i wouldnt want him to run the country will he lose votes no because the people who voted for the most the the traditional free Democrat Voter wants lower taxes that basically Everything Else they dont care about as long as tax is go down and hes promising that and i dont know none of the other parties want to lower taxes so theyll go with that and then on the other hand with his with his euro skeptics stance and with is skeptical sconce stance towards the greens and towards more green energy and so on hell and towards immigration he will get a big slice of the of the far right vote so he it could it could pay off for him its all interesting stuff but the much more interesting question is where would be so you will go what will happen to them you know will the voters still support angloamerican and where will the city you end up. In fresh elections that is the crucial question today not where the f. T. P. Is going. Next lets just listen to what im going to medical have to say after the collapse of the Coalition Talks if we go to the michael german chancellor. I feel weve seen and heard a lot during these dogs. Were very different styles of negotiating. Its biting you know sympathy the greens to some getting used to the free democrats were resolute. But we believe that we were on the right path to securing an agreement. Im going to michael their accused of being pale and passive in the negotiations not by everybody there were some conservatives who said she played a very strong role as a behind the scenes moderator where does she stand now what is her future you know even the green party set that angle america has been a good moderator of these talks so its only the liberals who are not pulled out of it who try to blame and im going to america but its not what happened its just a blame game of blaming the about well what will happen to im going to mecca im very optimistic because if there was a new elections because its not yet sure but everyone councilman i think very many germans who vote for im going to america and she will gain votes from almost all parties for example many. People who voted for the social democrats will vote for macca next time because the social democrats refuse to go into a great Big Coalition and want to stay in the position but why should i vote for social democrats who want to stay in a position that makes no sense if i want to keep going back and power the same something we disagree and i think that quite a few liberals will leave Christian Lindt not because its true they all wanted to have tax reductions but how are you supposed to reduce the taxes when you end opposition it just doesnt work so those those who are somehow rational voters for the liberal party will now say well its better to vote for america who is in power and to strengthen her in some correlation whoever that will be instead of voting for linda so in the end the christian democrats will have more votes than they have now the premise here is that there could very well be freshie law. Actions that is certainly a possible scenario at this point in time however the german part of the german president the federal president frank by the time i has come out we all know and said that the policies that this isnt a collapse of the talks this is a breakdown of talks that the policy should go back to each other get back around the table until they will have to see what key in the end will actually say because he used a man who is in control of the process and he has to decide what will be next when it comes to fresh elections. But on the americas future im fully agree but for Different Reasons she will be there because there is no alternative a lot of people in journalism that we didnt have before this there is no type i know i know a single term you know well its not its nice to let the get you know you know they just dont think of these eleven and you live in this country for a long long long time and you know domestic politics and then please do answer who else all you or you know i agree just and i mean why should i but this is the way that i think a lot of a lot of the johns should be saying a lot of young people and other people even in this country would very much like new faces in politics but what is the alternative nobody can answer this really and as long as we do not have this new phase then who will stay its as simple as that is going to happen are they going to be fresh elections well. Today is the day of uncertainty we cannot predict. Absolutely sure the democrats said today they didnt do it to confirm they will not go into a grand coalition ok so thats off the table where they want you elections thats what they said today what if they would say tomorrow or in a week from now it would then have to push out martin shorts again as. He just lost one election you know hes going to vary too but but but but this over democrats they do have other phases it could be under they are not with the Opposition Leader no it could be the mayor of book shows shows that the shorts so they have alternatives and for the time being at least the christian democrats do not have a viable option what are you thinking yeah im thinking its boring but im thinking the same but i dont. Know i do think we need fresh elections we. I mean if if the president from carter steinmeyer if he said you know this is not a collapse this is a breakdown that that semantics i dont see the difference between a collapse of the breakdowns me interpret saying whats the federal president ok but i just just yesterday or the day before on sunday you told our newspaper that i was on target that the Jamaican Coalition should finally get their act together and finish the talks and come to them successfully no one listen to him so why should they listen to him now when mr has left the coalition so you know he cant go back he can go back and say oh i was wrong im very sorry im going to go. And and he certainly cant go back and say well look i thrown a temper tantrum now take me in but i want to get this that the other guys will say look you left you know and thats of i am what comes to mind surely were older if the if there are first elections were all going to have to come back to this jamaica scenario. Because there are there are going to be six parties in the bundestag thats more than in the past but you know more than likely going to be two or theres a real probability going to need four of them to form a coalition thats the situation were already in so youre going to be in the same situation as you were before but with less trust and firstly we dont know that its quite possible that certain immigrants if they get rid of mr schultz as their leader and that they could that they actually do gain votes because voters arent rational if they were rational they would do as you said but they but they arent so they might see themselves in a position to form a three Way Coalition with the excommunist Left Wing Party with the greens that was thats always been on the table as a possibility if they dont have a majority with you dont know whats going to happen after the next election they could be i mean if if that comes back with you know twelve thirteen fourteen percent he could start dictating terms from quite a different position you know this. Throw everything up in the end see what happens and i think thats the only only way out. Well i think thats and many. Due to this very long period of debating into like a coalition with greens and serve and christian democrats and liberals i think many germans are now some will. Adapted to the idea that im like be a collision of the green party and the fish and democrats and i think that very many people in now after this long talk about john mica feel quite comfortable with this idea and it could be that if there was a new election people actively voted for as we call it black green. Fully agree that its good oh. I think. A lot of people you have to would you have to understand its quite simple a lot of people around on the amount are almost in their d. N. A. That they want a black Green Coalition for many many conservative group is exactly even within the c. S. U. You have that trent humans like to call the natural next government yeah that could very well happen so what and the worst thing that could happen would be a minority government that would be extremely bad for germany it would be extremely bad for europe and for the rest of the world because a minority government would defend government uncertainty and this is what europe cannot stand right now and therefore that would be the worst thing that could happen and im pretty sure it will not and theres a real danger that were going to leave. Home out in the cold hes come out and he said we want to lead europe with germany in the town dim that were so familiar to us until recent times he wants to take europe into a stronger and more ambitious future in germany is saying oh well we are trying to form a government and i dont i mean he came out even last night with that kind of a statement that he called thats what we hear even last night or during the night actually like oh no no no i like only in the morning actually and to make sure that she will not form a minority government because that would be very bad for france for his admissions of concern in europe and as i said that would be the worst scenario that could happen and i dont think it will happen. I mean where champagne corks must be popping or mourning is in moscow of course because the one thing that moscow wants is to have europe divided and incapable of acting and this is exactly what we had we were having breakfast talks that are on hold now as long as john you doesnt have a have a government weve got this Terrible Division within europe between east and west between the visit grad states of Eastern Europe who are anti immigration anti neo liberalism and basically anti any sort of liberalism and with the western european states weve got all these things that need resolving and there and theres no leadership from germany and no leadership for maybe four or five months so this is i mean you must be saying how could i be so lucky i get trump in america now ive got no government in germany britain is basically a government on the whole its all going according to plan its not like were going to have fun on that if i mean what does he have of perhaps you know europe is. Trying to find itself but putin doesnt have any advantage from that you know didnt union is in disarray surely you know but i mean thats but yet that might be i dont really agree but anyway that doesnt help him only because you have all you can say is europe is in disarray if you want he can because you his destabilization program in ukraine for instance which make no mistake about it is designed to reintegrate europe yell transit is in the empire and theres no im going to america has been the person whos stopped him from doing that but you know i think that whatever result the german elections would have had a could have had you know this ukraine problem but never have been attacked anyway by the europeans you know they are already resigned to the idea that it will go to russia were running out of time and you know its id like to ask each of you to tell me what the best Case Scenario is from this point in time. And i think fresh elections are unavoidable. And the outcome that you would view is the best Case Scenario than. My gut feeling tells me it will be black green for lotion its my gut feeling and i will say i didnt come into the show feeling that that was germanys future maybe im beginning to be convinced by the prospect. I also think that we need fresh elections and i would actually quite welcome it if. The free democrats could again a whole lot more votes and then form a black Yellow Coalition center right coalition. Thus leaving a Strong Center left opposition of the greens in the reds well you might call back to the future a little bit well i hope not back because that was the last black Yellow Coalition was a catastrophe but theres a different prospect he could he could swing it over again well if this is not him then he would have racists in government because as you said and it now wants to become very nationalistic maces even racist so i i do not think that a yellow blanket government has turned nationalistic would be a very nice. I dont think very often i do i dont think we can conclude conclude destro by calling a latino a racist no i dont think this is taking it too far but you can still hear that at any. One still its a bit sad but he wants to pick the those who vote for him if he and many of them are races so i dont have to leave it there i want to go to control the sea thank you very much for joining us hes special edition of course talking about the collapse of g. M. Coalition to see what comes next my bike. Thank. You