Being discussed that is of course the idea of a state for the jewish peoples and and that i think is is a particularly think at the time when you think that france was jewish because in some mark sykes what were talking about how to how to redistribute land across the Ottoman Empire and how to how to create some kind of some kind of dialogue some kind of relationship with the arabs and arab leaders of that so i think its a pretty strange agreement a pretty strange tackle aeration to be honest and some with about a minute left what do you think with the state of israel wouldnt exist today if there had been no balfour declaration. I think about the declaration was obviously a really important step along the way towards establishing the state of israel and palestine now i think that that is perhaps the biggest thing he had that there could well have been a stay at israel and we know that there were a number of different possibilities considered but whether that would have been in palestine or not that big question so i think that the fatah declaration was important for getting the state of israel to where it is today all right simon maybe thats Lancaster University in the u. K. So i mean as always we appreciate your insights good to have you on the day thank you thank you good to be back. Well for the first time a collection of paintings stolen from their jewish owners in the nazi era are being exhibited in switzerland and germany now for decades they were hidden in an apartment in munich until one day the tax man paid an unexpected visit. The hoard of precious artworks is going on display for the first time in bern switzerland and bonn germany the linked exhibitions include master works from the likes of kirshner expect man oughter dicks and vassili couldnt ski the works on display just some of the motherlode found in this on a shimming flat in munich in two thousand and twelve had not been seen by anyone for decades except by this man Cornelius Gurlitt tax inspectors discovered the tribe of around fifteen hundred works during a raid on gurlitz apartment and later at another residence in salzburg. It was said to be a recluse who identified with more than people. Father seen here in the middle Hildebrand Gurlitt built up the collection after being enlisted by the nazis to sell socalled degenerate modern not. The story of the art discovery quickly became about a nazi art trove of looted works but the real number is more sobering. Theres a total of six works that have currently been identified as looted out. You could say thats not many but i say its six too many and its six works with a human story behind them. Died in twenty fourteen and the conspiracy and burn was stunned to learn that it had been named as the sole heir the exhibition there is composed mainly of words confiscated by the nazis from museums after receiving the works the swiss museum let some five hundred of them in germany so the provenance could be researched the exhibition there in bonn focuses on work looted from victims of the nazi regime and works whose ownership has not yet been established tracing the works origins seventy years on has proved a major stumbling block we tried to turn every stone but in spite of this there are actual limits to our search. The exhibitions not only served to bring these mosque to pieces back from the grave but also give voice to wouks and the nazis had hoped to silence. That is. Oriel one of poland now im only at the house shes a providence researcher at the art loss register in london im really welcome to the day if you cant help tell us how many works of art do we know how many works of art were seized by the nazis or forcibly sold by their owners i mean how many remain unaccounted for barry it is very difficult to give a concrete not about how that i am really know that im not im new to hundreds of thousands of acts and some of them were rescued to direct. A barrister that can be found at probably in the no one hundred thousand but if you take into account that im not. Trying ot but also and that cricket. And also and the number becomes absolutely immense. To say no more wins in the millions for you to use your job i mean ive called you earlier tonight in the newsroom ecology a lost art owner hunter if you will. Told me a little bit about how you go about conducting the research to determine the paintings origins and and to find its original owner. Where half am at the opera just a stopping point is always database checks so the atlas register runs a database of about half a million stars and looted i tunes so that includes a comment as as much as not saluted but there are also a number of our public databases out that such as the jam in Las Vegas Web victims can basically register i tunes that they are looking for so that is the starting point but and from that it really gets sort of very complex you start looking into detail records auction house records from the one thousand factories and fortys and that sort of the limits in business and by law the trade is only applied to heat the records attend yes and we have court quite a few auction house records last summer some of the digitized but not all of them are and many of the you know records and auction house records have been destroyed now that is one side of the problems research and then the other side is finding the klang and so you might know that an awkward whats in the possession are a family that was victim to nazi persecution but then many members of that family might actually have diets during the holocaust and very difficult sometimes to track down if that still are any descendant there well its a fascinating story in your work is says. We know it must be very vivid and when you are able to bring art back to its original owner only every house a provenance researcher in london only if we appreciate you being on today and taking the time to share your experience with us thank you thank you very much. Well the day is nearly done but says ever the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either at or you can write directly to me at brant goff t. V. Dont forget to use the hash tag the day and remember no matter what happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that everyone