Mr puts demands message is a journey to nowhere because there is no democracy outside the law there is no coup existence there are no rights outside the law for a long time is to put them on has been living outside the law outside reality and outside sanity whatever i feel like oh yeah deserves the independence were in we have a different culture we have a different language and i support it but its a scary situation we dont know what the Spanish Government is capable of and we well youve seen october the first how that went to him that we got here that by his apartment in the middle of the territory breaks away it would immediately be outside European Union treaties with this feeling he may have anyway dont run at all its been a little lets market with this ball of in the middle east and europe so most wealthy in this were starting to see serious concerns due to the catalan governments irresponsible course most of what you love response of the earth. And what were more likely. Welcome to the program each day this week the stakes have got higher in the crisis around in catalonia with regional leaders in the spanish region rallying for a move towards independence the bitter dispute has now hit a fresh high spains highest court banning a parliamentary session in catalonia as Regional Assembly due to take place on monday catalan leaders had hinted they were going to use that session to declare independence from spain meanwhile there are signs that the wealthy regions push for separation from spain is scaring off big business with one major bank at least signaling it could soon leave catalonia. With christopher from business christopher bring us up to speed on these financial events you know one large banished bank i believe moving to base itself outside of catalonia thats right were talking about one of spains biggest banks banco this about there they decided to move its headquarters out of catalonia today and this is quite a household name this is spains fourth largest bank and there is more to come possibly a bank which is the countrys biggest retail lender is set to decide tomorrow the tomorrow on whether it wants to relocate its legal base and there have always also been reports that actually does Spanish Government may issue a decree tomorrow making it easier to relocate your company had quarter even without the shareholders consent so economists are calling this the first wave of a economic financial tsunami are for for catalonia asked for the reasons will both banks are just afraid that with Catalonian Independence should it happen they would be kicked out of the euro zone and out of the jurisdiction of the European Central bank making their business incredibly complicated so you say economists are saying this is the first wave in other words this is these are not isolated cases there will be more there have been other cases and not limited to one economic sector if you look at the companies that have left catalonia Telecoms Firm your own a Biotech Company called arising genomics or a maker of dental products the bank by dell that we talked about today so this spans across the economic spectrum there and more will follow experts say as the response by shareholders of these companies that have left has been overwhelmingly positive because they see so many question marks behind the business. Model behind the trade ties that these companies have across europe should Catalonian Independence from the past and of course the the just just so that we understand this correctly the reason theyre moving away from catalonia is to make sure that theyre still within the European Union and have all the advantages that that brings with it one last question christoph are there any estimates the toll of how costly Catalonian Independence would be it is hard to hard to pinpoint hard to determine catalonia is an economic powerhouse its a strong economic reasons pain but as you mentioned much of that strength stems from the fact that spain with catalonia with the autonomous region of catalonia is part of the European Union part of the Single Market thereby making cross border trade very very easy now if catalonia should its even dependence that all is doubtful the spanish economy minister said should catalonian depends come to pass the region would lose up to thirty percent of its economic power which would be a gigantic blow but then again this is the spanish economy minister saying that but the fallout would be substantial that thats pretty fair to say ok christophe many thanks and no worries were about to get the cattle and perspective on this now we have on the line from barcelona. Come out of well hes an advisor to a catalan member of the European Parliament that im on to mosul and also supporter of cattle and independents Mr Carmichael weve just been listening from my colleague from d. W. Business how expensive separation from spraying will probably be what do you think how expensive do you think that separation will be and are you being open about those costs with the people of catalonia. Good evening thank you for limitations of god this issue. We can see. Even though there are many that it and ministers that dont you will be gone were going to do it part of the Single Market and they were being a go to me. So i dont understand very well why people are really saying something but im going to come out and i was about you know sorry to interrupt mr come out of what how can you be sure that youll still be part of the Single Market and the eurozone area if it is actually clear that catalonia leaving spain will also be leaving the European Union look this is something that has never happened in the box the first thing to take into account and the second or more importantly the anybody what he did it in there would be a market so it means that we have seven thousand multinationals from Many Companies in the wall at the end of the morning for example fifty percent of all gentlemen will be nationals in spain adding that already and if i present of all american multinationals in spain adding another one here same thing with the bunnies what do you make that mistake come out of us as message come out of our sorry to interrupt again weve just been hearing from my my colleague at g. W. Business that many of those multinationals are considering leaving catalonia because it is trying to separate from spain and that came to stay within the European Union so let me ask you again what is the cost of independence i dont think its so easy to think of that does it that these are to move whole industries out of court or you know i think it will be really expensive for everyone to. So you see that the kind of situation we dont see in a situation we see that of course independence west coast but it seems im in has been given that is because you know that every year got the money it has a piece called the reign of sixteen billion euros weve had a stock spain does that given to eight percent of g. D. P. Thats a little nice lady by grameen newspapers from of the aid and also from this money interior minister so it means that theyve got only becomes independent you know about much more resources in order to spend and even lower taxes in order to cover but theyre going to begin by them and got the money and that is that i dont know maybe you come out of what you need to come out of it isnt that quite selfish. Ok what about these unimportant is an important point i mean we continue to become part of the european economy a. T. R. No one present that is in expelling of the money from the government and they were up in a growing area so we have to be creative of the cornea is be willing to do it in european markets and we continue to be part of them what they would happens with one of the doors that goes there is a spanish bond call it will be on when two years old they were asked what it meant to do weve got a really comes independent there and their answer was made it clear we were going to do business there seem think something was about us and many other industries the base think of that only because all of them know what they meant because weve got our own you know with its one of the guys that goes i dont know we continue to be out of there will be in the grammy area and thats the most important thing well miss to come out of oh well well see what happens if catalonia does become independent let me ask you this weve had many calls today for dialogue including from the captain of the pop bottle and a Football Team under i think yes to an iconic player in your region posting a message on facebook today saying before we do ourselves more harm those who are responsible must hold dialogue as they come out why wont you join the all party talks that the spanish Prime Minister is proposing. This body spray minister is not proposing all but people that were not there in fact he said refusing that there is an International Meet or be doing that only on spain and thats the reality of this sad reality in fact the government but as in god as it was the morning has been asking for mediation for a whole week. Under the response by mr always the same no no no mr mccloy it was against the new to the problem if not the only thing years ago she got then immediately for millions of dollars i can see mr mccloy was against a new settlement for economy and you can as i said im going to reapply years of all mr hoyer said i said a thousand times no one agreed to the pretender and now mr east also refusing to open International Mediation so the question is why mr referee behave just means there are no lights because hes being ready to sponsor what youre seeing right now how all this this thing this stock market from spain is going down also the stock market of banks so what is going to be next thing you know its been cause one theory on you was that whats going to be the consequence of these government is ready to pay its first share of the debt so why dont they it was shed got them government and the Spanish Government and another settlement for a. Friendly divorce but ok a question and white appointee saying no no no mr come out of all many thanks the perspective that from catalonia from alecks city come out of an adviser to catalan member all three of them Parliament Many thanks. Now in the United States today is the final day for immigrants protected under the socalled dreamers act to apply for an extension of their status allowing them to continue living and working legally in the country democratic members of congress have been holding a rally outside the capitol almost eight hundred thousand immigrants who came to the u. S. As children under the socalled backup program have until the end of the day to renew that status will be subject to deportation. Where they now for more on all this also show meter editor peter dull to talk about you know this looming deadline before i talk to peter we just want to dip in first into what people at that rally on capitol hill have been saying. They only gave him thirty days thirty days during which theyre supposed to pull together all this paperwork this must put together four hundred ninety five dollars so a lot of money they have does they have designed this whole system for these kids to fail. That finally at the beginning when we heard the doco wispy resounded fell so much pain we will. Destroy it we feel disappointed it will be very fortunate it will it will. It will be really bad because. It is only going to be its not about our community its not our family its not about my parents its about my my my friends theyre going to going to be and i think we dreamers we are i think the immigrants given so much to this country and we deserve something better. Ok. So motional statements there on capitol hill peter it seems that many of the socalled dreamers. Have this feeling that theyre being left in the lurch absolutely christopher i think what youre seeing is a sense that someone capitol hill may see this is pure politics but for hundreds and thousands of dreamers this is about their lives and one of the things theyve been complaining about is that they feel like the government doesnt pretend to care. You know many werent even notified that they were eligible for renewal of their darkest atis. And this is what im talking about you know a lot of uncertainty lets i have one tweet for you right here. A guy from los angeles saying you know its cry for help hes writing my friend is really confused about the process if her doc is good until im eighteen does she need to send anything in the answer to that is yes if she does not submit trap locations today then her doctor status will expire come may eighteenth and there are thousands more like her official figures show that one day before the deadline so yesterday as many as forty thousand people hadnt even apply to it. So if they dont dont be deported unless Congress Acts ok peter and i thanks for that piece doll from w. Social media. Very close to reaching the point where whatever wild fish. Will contain pastor. Has to use indeed. Britains Prince Charles opening a high profile conference on the worlds oceans officials from some sixty countries gathering on the mediterranean island of malta to discuss how to address the threats that our oceans are facing as Climate Change theres overfishing in there is that human habit of using them as a rubbish dump one of the things we throw into the ocean is plastic which is accumulating at an alarming rate marine pollution very high on the agenda at the Ocean Conference hosted this year by the European Union the talks will also look at ways of protecting Ocean Ecosystems while creating a sustainable maritime economy. For more were going to take you now to the island of sound to me it brings the pay off the west african coast to look at efforts there to reduce Plastic Waste disposable plastic bottles common on the island because tap water isnt always safe to drink but without a proper Collection System many of the discarded bottle of end up in the sea you know an initiative called no plastic is encouraging the locals to keep plastic out of the Marine Environment that is the language you see later if a man does has a busy day ahead of her the twenty four year old is committed to making principles dream of becoming free of plastic come true but on the. Good morning up big ive come for your plastic bottles todays collection day. That you got them already. Recycling plastic has become a major activity on the island since twenty fourteen where the no Plastic Campaign started. Without a proper disposal and recycling system all these plastics could have ended up in the sea. For numbers works for the biosphere we serve a team that started the campaign for every fifty bottles they hand out a reusable container made of stainless steel. A bit of metal over the plastic so we have four tons of plastic stored on the main island of south america a Maritime Transport company is helping us by taking it to lisbon free of charge to recycling companies there will receive it. They want the island free of plastic by twenty twenty one of the challenges actually comes from the sea tiny particles known as micro plastics washed up on shore spanish scientists might have a sense e. O. Has been asked to analyze the beaches. And most of the sample is organic material and not many plastic particles at first glance thats a good sign the beach appears to be very clean but we cant identify many fibers with the naked eye what looks like hair could turn out to be plastic it needs more analysis. But while the sand is relatively clean that could still be a high concentration of micro plastics in the sea going plastic free its no easy task but the people of principle are determined to do what they can. And were going to talk now to two people taking part in that Ocean Conference in malta sundra shut biodiversity and oceans campaigner with environmental n. G. O. S greenpeace and we also have in the behavior with us is the European Commission spokesperson on Maritime Affairs and fisheries welcome to both of you im going to start with mr. Britains Prince Charles opened the malta conference calling for Decisive Action yet action seems to be slow why is that well its truly a delicate dance. To protect our oceans and at the same time still need needing to exploit resources and use oceans i mean they provide food they regulate the climates they produce oxygen and they in. In the end they have the highest levels of biodiversity in wide shots and thats what so we need to greatly depend on them its a delicate dance especially now that the ocean is already in severe and very very high trouble and. A problem we have global problems but we need to find local and Regional Solutions and it is a big of politicians but also corporations to. Speak and make well until we can the ones that are really truly implementing them and cobble neeman stones in that situation and to action ok let me put that to a position to mr body view is that. An accurate portrayal mr preview of the way politicians are dealing with the situation talking but not acting. Well i think the purpose of these conference that was launched by the Obama Administration and john kerry as a father and now is taken up by European Union that wants to be on the forefront of this fire it is exactly the opposite so to force on one hand politicians on the other one corporations to make commitments when the old saw with the support of n. G. O. S like green baize and all environmentalists n. G. O. S because i think we have it all going the same direction so you all realize here mr believe your goal excuse me up to what is the key commitment that the European Union is going to be making at this conference. Well there are several commitments that goal. One real clear is that we will. Band a single use the plastic from the user of. The premises of the european institutional European Commission which is a very tangible. Measure of the can be seen by everybody but then we have a full range of measures on them security but also on a time against by the time pollution that will be decided and which are war thirty over five hundred million five hundred sixty to be clear so we go from the raft of measures to reduce the leakage of plastics into the environment by the blast biggest strategy that we will limit both micro beads micro plastics but also single use a plastic to be used and also to reduce the discharges of worship generated waste and car going to the seas so these are concrete measures that the e. U. Is that we are pushing for and that we had from all over the wall the commitments that went well beyond our expectations mr preview let me just put that now to miss churton from greenpeace are those kinds of commitments that were hearing there from the European Commission from the European Union is that enough. Good question well overall its definitely on us to congratulate the European Commission and everybody making the statement that i havent made that Statement Today and tomorrow but still we need to be clear that until now many measures have just been put into action plans and they have just been made as voluntary commitments these awards and we need to see cho action and to have the new notions and experience has shown us that during the last two years lots of time has passed by with only a little action and a lot of words so were looking forward to seeing those words being implemented into action quickly and to seeing some concrete plans also getting taken not only by policy makers but also taken up by corporates by Big Companies who have still very very much the tendency to. Lets put it that the way to do some greenwashing i mean i do not want to piss on or some of the good commitments that came out of this conference but still projects tend to look at end of Pipe Solutions instead of trying to find solutions at source for instance marine pollution one of the best ways to stop that is to produce less Plastic Products unnecessary single use plastic items in the beginning instead of starting to take to take litter out of the ocean or thinking about only recycling targets. Sorry for interrupting you but if i understand you correctly you say you create the commitments that have been coming from the political side on the corporate side but youre saying its. From a commitment to. Essential. Yes we need some old cars. Ok let me put that to mr preview is that something the European Commission the European Union should be considering. The strict hand of legislation to make sure that what people are promising is actually part of the law and has to be implemented well you know we we will do that and by the end of the day you know i actually will present a plastic strategy to limit the use of plastics. And old salts singly used items in the u n o u k also announced they want to be on the forefront on the on this ban for micro micro beads so there will be some measure on that matter but we dont we cannot forget that this is a global problem and so thats important to be on the forefront in this fight and to try to generate as we did in this conference commitments from all over the world both on the on the. Private side and on the public side and to to have these you know early conference exactly to check because i understand the concern of the greenpeace representative just greenwashing that this is just wards but thats exactly the purpose of this conference is to do every year so to check where we are i mean some companies here committed by two twenty twenty five to have all mr behavior recycled. All i have to do i have to cut you off there we will check that that is good to hear that youre going to keep on checking that. The many thanks for talking to us. Thank you but if they stay isnt any dumber the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter i dont keep up the news with my twitter handle spring on the right thanks for watching and do stay with us for more weve got news at the top of the hour for you. 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