with that increase. whenever you can get manchin on board, which included stacey abrams yesterday, the white house house is intrigued. this is trickier, because while there is potentially republican swort for an infrastructure plan, it really has become an experienced leader. even with joe manchin, you don't have the 60 votes you need to implement this, so the white house cognizant of that as well. >> thank you for starting us off this hour. joining us to talk about these issues, ro kahanna.