biden, but not what he wanted, he wanted to be first and he got a brub back from the president when zelenski was walking in that ukraine would get into nato, well it takes a long time, and the president was asked about ukraine getting in and they said no, they have not proved they combatted corruption they have a lot more to do. so you're seeing a broader conversation. and what had been put out also earlier is usually is starts with the broader group and then narrows down to the group of four, this time it was the reverse. >> the or yog if i is so important down to who arrived first, who speaks first, and how all of this plays out. what is your understanding of how it plays out?