he's a worthy advocate. the opposite of the nasty, sharp language that putin was using, opened the door to some reasonable balance. and i think if putin is looking for this moment to shake hands with a strong president, which i think biden showed this week, he actually is, biden has given it to him. i also think biden has set himself up pretty well to be sharp about some very specific nos, some red lines. he's made clear on cyber, on ransomware, there are going to be red lines coming out of this meeting. so it's so different in tone from trump. he's not a supplicant, he doesn't need putin. he doesn't want to be putin's friend. i thought the worthy adversary, it was just right in saying, i'm ready to sit down with you. i'll give you that. but i'm not going to give you anything else. >> elizabeth, what does the white house want to take away from the putin meeting? >> i think what they've wanted to do from the beginning is just lower the temperature,