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now it is more than that. but also the fact that nato has once, in its existence in 73 years, taken an article 5 vote to support one of its members against a foreign attack, and that was after 9/11 when the united states was attacked by al qaeda, and that resulted in going to afghanistan, which was a nato engagement as well as a u.s. engagement, of course, so the nato partners now today are talking about the disengagement from afghanistan, the end of the war which is actually taking place much sooner than what had been said on 9/11 this year. it's actually going to be over by the end of july, as far as we know the withdrawal schedule, and it's a complicated withdrawal schedule. plus there is a meeting between president biden and erdogan, president erdogan of turkey. very controversial, the president deliberately not calling and not getting a call from erdogan after his election. they've had icy relations in the past, and that was even before

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