face as a country, a situation where there is no quick fix, is there anything harris could have said that would not have drawn criticism, as a woman, a person of color and the daughter of immigrants herself, the first ever vice president who isn't a white man, by the way, always remember that, is harris being held to a different standard? joining me now to discuss is a journalist and the host of the very cool named podcast "spilling chai." she's also the author of the book "the pain gap: how sexism and racism in health care kill women." thank you so much for joining me tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. great to be on with you. >> i know. it's so fun. so harris is really in a no win situation with this crisis. let's be honest about that, up top. i think this line from your recent op ed in usa today sums it up well.