let's remember that there were peaceful condemnations, largely, at lafayette square in the days prior to this. now, certainly, there was an act of vandalism at the church, the northern end of the square, st. john's, where there was a fire. that, obviously, no one condones. that was the night that the president and his family were rushed down to the emergency bunker at the white house. something he, of course, found sort of humiliating and humbling and he wanted a strong message to push back. that's how this was hatched. we all came up with this idea for him to walk across the park and then at his daughter's suggestion, ivanka trump, display a bible in front of that damaged church. >> -- upside down or just wouldn't work. >> that was a key part of this, joe. overlooked by many. and, you know, so therefore, they wanted to clear the park so we could have that photo op. now, the protests that day had