i don't see this alliance between the ag and d.a. is very unusual. and i think it's easy to see why she wanted it, but it's likely, as david says, she's developed specific evidence of intent in order for vance to have wanted to partner up with her. >> so david, i want you to weigh in on what -- on something frank figliuzzi woo for an nbc op-ed talking about trump's children and lawyering up i should say. if they haven't already, it's time for members of the trump family who served as organization employees to each retain experienced criminal defense lawyers. in fact, depending on what those trump organization family members have already said and to who, it may already be too late. we know eric and don jr. are executive vice presidents at the organization currently. well also know eric gave sworn testimony to investigators back in october when this was still a civil matter. >> that's right.