that's what we have to do if they don't want to listen. they're supposed to be working for the people, not for gun lobbyists, not for the in nra and not for money. lives are way more important than money and the politicians need to understand that. >> josh, you covered washington for a long time here and it's a cliche question but i wonder if this time feels different. we're talking about red flag laws, and yes, there's movement on that. it's not, at least as i see it, a movement for a federal law but there's a program that can be put in place, tieing grants to these states that put the laws into effect. has this conversation changed to things that are actionable, a focused conversation that could lead to something happening in washington today? >> i think it has moved forward somewhat but i always get the sense that it's going to roll back to where it was before. i felt that way again this week. initially we had president trump say that he thought that maybe there could be legislation in this area, then maybe there