the polls. and people, you know, are sticking with him. >> when i talk to democrats, there is this nervousness. nervousness that is overtaking him. they're afraid about not nominating the wrong candidate. they're afraid of making a misstep. i think when you look at how biden has fared in this part of the cycle, he had a not so great first debate and not so good second debate and the numbers didn't even go down. the voters are not as nervous as the washington cocktail circuit. >> a guy i am very wary. i've known joe forever. i'm a lot like him in background. there is always the tendency. i got to tell you, anybody in the democratic party with this president can win, and anybody can lose. >> yeah. >> this is wildly open. >> i think that's true. >> making predictions are impossible. >> and when are democrats not nervous? >> or divisive or neurotic. anyway, the cocktail circuit. they don't need booze to worry.