will say well, i'd be open to a primary with donald trump. so therefore donald trump is unpopular. and the same kinds of polls happened in 2015. the truth is when you get closer and closer to election day, and the fear is amped up so high. and for the people who are in the middle, you've got donald trump who has the biggest microphone in the world, and apparatus at his disposable. it's telling them that the mainstream media has been lying to them about the tax cuts. >> the media is not popular in this country, but it's never actually been held in higher regard because of trump's opposition the it. >> the point about the polling, it is much easier to say -- the polling is reflecting. this. >> all recent elections. >> it's very easy to be prince p.m.ed as you get closer to election day, you start making decisions on a more selfish basis or a short-term basis. and so far fear has been winning. >> it didn't win in 2018. >> it won in 2016.