>> it's very easy to be prince p.m.ed as you get closer to election day, you start making decisions on a more selfish basis or a short-term basis. and so far fear has been winning. >> it didn't win in 2018. >> it won in 2016. and in 2018, i would argue it did better than people thought it would. i don't think the fact that there were losses on the republican side was effective of the amount of anger directed at trump. given the amount of negativity that was directed at trump, he should have done better than he did. >> the bartender says i can't have another refill. i appreciate this. this is a good and important conversation that we have to have. thanks to both of you for having it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> michelle goldberg and ben howe. still to come, as the impeachment rally continues in the congressman ro khanna and the democratic game plan in two minutes. tes. there's a better choice. aleve pm.