just over the horizon there is a specter of the people's liberation army, that beijing very, very reluctant i think to use that kind of force. no live ammunition has been used in these protests so far. some protesters have been killed, but not by direct action of the police itself. one final thought, you know i think what you're seeing shows not the famous control that we imagine beijing has over hong kong, but its lack of control. it is worried principally about these protests spreading to other cities on the mainland. what it cares about most in its one party, one state, one regime system is dissent and control breaking down. what it cares about most of all is control and stability. of course, that's what we have not seen in hong kong for about two months now. andrea? >> exactly. bill neely, this is why it's all