and i think it's just too early to say that. i think also through house oversight we will get some answers. so yes, i think we will get the answers. i think it's probably going to take longer than people want, which is why bill barr should not be doing what he's doing already, which is putting out a few little select cryptic facts with his spin on it. >> and pointing downward with the glam. mimi rocah and john heilemann, thank you both for starting us off tonight. when we come back, lisa bloom will join us. she represents some of the women who have been -- who have lawsuits pending against jeffrey epstein for his conduct for his conduct with them. she will join us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪