system. there are republicans who do believe in doing the right thing. if you're an elected official and not doing it, you should be out of there. >> we do need a center right party but i don't think it's the republicans anymore. the republican party now -- >> that's correct. >> i think susan's point about fear is really important. it's a party that is completely caged by its own fear of everything. not just of its own voters but a fear that the weakness of its own ideas. the republican party i joined in my youth 35 years ago, 40 years ago, was a confident, optimistic forward looking party that believed in america, believed in immigration and in national unity. this is a party that's afraid of everything that it's afraid of its own voters, doesn't have confidence in its own ideas and it's mortgaged everything it's believed in to be a cult of personality for a very weak and insecure man. there's no center to the republican party. it has been hollowed out by this