don't see it in the same way you guys are describing it, which is a real threat? >> i think it fits into an overall pattern of dialing back what little resources was devoted to this issue. you know, in 2018, we had the preeminent counterterrorism program for state and local law enforcement defunded. it was called the state and local anti-terrorism training. this was the only training that federal government was offering to state and local law enforcement to educate them on domestic terrorist threats. we also had grant funding to three organizations that were devoted to countering violent white nationalism. they were the first granted money to try to pull people out of the movements and try to reacclimate them into society and they had their funding pulled. it's not surprising to see that this office at homeland security was severely -- had its budget cut and staffing reduced. >> we're seeing some of the consequences of that probably play out. nick and daryl, thank you both very much. and some breaking news on