of whom may be carrying weaponry. when we come back, i want to talk to you about how police officers, how law enforcement handle a situation that is that fraught, going in there trying to save lives without inflicting more damage than they've already come into. jim kavanaugh, formerly of the atf. we're going to take a quick break. our special coverage of the shooting in el paso, texas, continues on msnbc. [farmers bell] ♪ (burke) a "rock and wreck." seen it. covered it. at farmers insurance, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪