moderate and came up far too short and was a disgrace and part of the republican talking points, those people played right into joe biden's hands. you saw joe biden as the lone defender of barack obama -- >> good lord. >> and obamacare. that's worth ten points for him. by the way, if i'm a democrat and i'm not, so democrats, you don't have to tell me on twitter i'm not, i'm not. but if i'm a democrat and i have heard donald trump riding barack obama into the ground since he's been president of the united states and i hear democrats on stage doing the same thing, those people never get my vote. never. never get my vote. it was a stupid move on their part. and they better recalibrate because this is a big, big plus for joe biden. >> yeah, i talked to some democrats that night who said it felt like we were living in a parallel universe. are we really going after the legacy of the man we love, this historic figure in our party and in the country? it felt wild to a lot of people, richard haass and allowed joe biden to go out yesterday and he