and a lot of talk about health care, but not that much talk about what the trump administration is doing at the border or what the trump administration is doing to gut obamacare. >> and i think that's where we have to get focused. i'm always struck by the lack of overlap between what we hear on the debate and what i'm hearing in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and people's living rooms. and their overwhelming concern is that we nominate somebody who can beat donald trump. >> when you think about who can beat donald trump, what is your frustration level to qualify for the next round you have to reach 2% in four separate polls. you have to have 130,000 individual contributors. it doesn't matter what amount of money. is that too high a threshold established by of course the democratic party? >> i think that it's too early, much too early in this field for the dnc to be whittling out the field.