former hud secretary castro and biden squared off. >> the fact of the matter is, you should be able to, if you cross the border illegally, you should be able to be sent back. it's a crime. it is not one -- >> thank you, mr. vice president. >> first of all, it looks like one of us have learned the less on of the past. >> my plan would fix the broken legal system. the only way we are going to guarantee these kinds of separations don't happen in the future is we need to repeal this law. what we need is politicians that have guts on this issue. >> thank you mr. second. >> i have guts enough to say his plan doesn't make sense. >> first of all, i want to say, again, tonight, we are playing into republican hands who have a