michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. and i don't want to say it out loud because i don't want it to happen but i think a lot of people watching this right now know it already did happen once so, you know it can happen again. and it will happen again if we don't run the right candidate. a beloved american who's not an inside the beltway politician type person but somebody who's going to be a street fighter and fight for that 70% majority that's going to take us back into the white house. >> okay. and that's where we have you because to our audience michael moore is going to stay with us. and yes, i'm thinking what you're thinking. do you have a name for us? don't say it now. but i'm coming back at you in traverse city right after this. julian castro standing by with chris matthews. >> thank you, brian. congressman -- >> secretary. >> mr. secretary, yeah. julian, thank you so much. let me talk about your main argument in these last two debates which is the question of decriminalizing border crossers, people coming to this country.