deeply. and harris, i think booker going after biden helped harris some because it's taking some of the pressure off her. she's signaled things, i have heard her say this week, things like when asked about the vice president saying, joe biden has done so much for this country. so i think that she is more likely to take that kind of approach. less as hard. >> the other backtrack for this too, we have been talking about the black vote, the latest poll a couple days ago, quinnipiac, joe biden continued -- this is et best po the best poll he had so far with black voters. an outright majority. nobody else in double digits. more than 40 points ahead. bernie sanders actually running in second place. gene, after that first debate there was some movement i saw in polls with black voters towards kamala harris. if this was any indication, it disintegrated quickly. >> you saw voters in general