their desks in washington when obamacare was passed. i weblt out and did town halls all over the state of month. and then even though he would get everybody to raise their hands if they're on medicare and if they like medicare, try to point out that was a single payer government simm, it didn't matter because the government was telling them what they could and couldn't do in one of the most personal things of their lives. and the notion that we could pull this switch is go from a primarily private health insurance through work and -- and here's the thing. i think what kamala's trying to do with her plan, she came out yesterday is very smart. >> split the needle. >> it is all choice. if you want to buy in to the government plan and if the government plan turns out to be so good then the market will decide, the government plan will rule. but having that choice and being able to campaign on that choice, rather than the government's going to decide what health care you get. >> let me just to respond to,