>> i don't know. >> is there an idealogical difference between you and bernie, for example? is there an idealogical difference? >> i think on some of these issues, there are. i'm for government doing positive things, too, but you can't take someone's private insurance away from them. as i explained, they're union members who negotiated the contracts who said, we're not going to take some of these wages but we're going to pay for health care. >> someone follows the law or you go to jail, right? you pay it for 50 years, and if you live longer than that, you get it for coverage. the bernie plan, you get it your wheel life with no tax increase. >> no tax increase, no co-pays, no premiums. i support everybody having health care. i took the lumps with obamacare. i supported a public option with obamacare, but we've got to find something that's going to get enough votes in the senate to actually move the needle. >> he throws in free dental, free eyeglasses and everything