that, strong, that can really rein it in. i think as you've learned, the intelligence agencies have run amuck. >> the kind of senators we're talking about, wild cards who maybe fancy themselves more institutionalists, maybe more willing to say no to this president, does that pitch work for them? >> after mitch mcconnell decided to kill bills related to russia interference, i don't put it past any of these senators no matter how tenuous their re-election is to do what the president wants to do. it is terrifying. i am at a place, if the president says he wants this and presidents typically get their nominees, i imagine the leadership and other senators, as long as they're not directly in their face and protest at the front door. he auditioned for the job during the mueller hearings. we all saw that.