the summer of 2014 that russia was going to increase efforts to attempt to meddle in democratic elections across the world. i would argue that the obama administration did not do nearly half of what it had to do. >> fair enough. >> ned, i want to jump in here and say i've asked you a question about the trump administration and what's going to be done going forward. >> 350 million, they've gotten much more aggressive. i will say this. i actually agree, i've seen democratic senators tweeting with things i agree on regards to election security. i would love to go back to paper ballots, jo. i would love to do a lot of different things. >> listen, if you have some of the democratic senators, mark warner one of the senators out of oregon. i totally agree with it. there are steps we can do and continue to do. i will say this, the one thing that gave me real pause about election security and cyber hacking, all this, congress pulls all of these national security chiefs to the congress back in february of 2018. their responses were troubling