i don't know where we end up once we have a nominee. but the question is are we trying to outanger them? are we giving a positive package? are we just saying anyone is better than trump? >> plus you also have -- i leave this to the two of you, but are you going to go the way florida and georgia did on a national level to the more progressive candidate to run hoping you increase the base turnout, or are you going to try to put someone more center who can pick up states like pennsylvania and michigan -- not michigan. and wisconsin at least. >> we're going to talk about that later in the show. but let me say, i don't think that the democrats have to learn how to sell hate, but i do think they should -- >> and we're incapable of doing it even if we wanted to. >> my mother used say i love you, that's why i'm going to spank you, get the belt. we'll have more later in the show. coming up, we'll talk to a