obsessed with because it doesn't seem to be that remote. the odds of a very closely contested 2020 race seem very possible. >> almost every election. >> this is -- this -- this is -- the russians -- they knew they had business dealings with trump that were kept secret from the public. so they already had their hooks in him of information they thought would be private. they also have a deep seated fear going back to 2014 with uprisings in ukraine worrying about democracy. why can't we have democracy in russia? they want to say look how badly democracy is working in the uk and in the u.s. and so they have -- their greatest wish would be a presidential election whose legitimacy was honestly in doubt and contested by the parties. they would say look, you're better off with vladimir taking care of everybody. this democracy is messy. >> it's a very good point. and mimi, as someone -- as a lawyer, just imagining a scenario in which you are attempting to resolve -- the way that we resolve contested elections is through the courts. and the last time that that happened was 2000 in a way that a lot of people were very angry at, and i think the bush v gore decision is hilariously terrible. but imagine that.