don't see the logic of the way mueller pursued this. and he was asked about it. and basically, mueller's answer was we didn't want to push the president or subpoena him because we were going to run out of time and he could litigate. so what? keep the investigation open. the reason hillary clinton ultimately gave testimony to jim comey in the e-mail case is she wanted that case closed. and i think an investigation hanging over donald trump's head would not have been good for him and i'm very -- i'm sorry that bob mueller essentially waved the white flag. you know, when ken starr interviewed bill clinton in 1998 and got testimony he drew blood from the president. i don't mean that figuratively. i mean he literally rolled up his sleeve and they drew blood to conduct biologic testing. there is precedent for a president giving testimony in front of a grand jury like this and i'm very sorry bob mueller's team gave up on that. >> frank, last question. do you share jeremy's passion on