the initial interference. even in the most generous interpretation, none of that is defensible conduct. a less generous interpretation is that there is at the very least probable cause that donald trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors as the constitution calls them, worthy of an impeachment inquiry. joining me is ian bass and former white house counsel to president obama, and zerlina maxwell, senior director of progressive programming for siriusxm and an msnbc political analyst. let's just start zooming out for a second. what tomorrow means from a sort of both political and legal -- not in the narrow legal sense, but a rule of law sense, ian? >> today donald trump said that article 2 of the constitution gives him the power to do whatever he wants. he said that today. he believes that. >> to a room of teenagers. >> to a room of teenagers who want to get involved in politics. >> i this is their civics education today. >> that didn't come out of