frank, if you look at the ripple -- if you look at the mueller statement as a pebble thrown in the pond, that ripple rippled to the oval to donald trump, it rippled to congress where some of the regrets spilled out to the public about not seizing the richness of the narrative told in the mueller report, not seizing the airwaves, not telling the story and reading from his report and focusing the public's attention on all of the horrible conduct and unflattering anecdotal evidence in the mueller report. if you take those nine minutes -- and i'm not good at math, but we're going to have a factor of i don't know what, someone good at math will tweet it to me, he will be on tv for five hours. you take that ripple and draw it out. we don't know what we don't know about the effect of wednesday's testimony. >> so the time is on the side of