overanalyze the last election like generals always fight the last war. >> yeah. >> i think the demographic makeup of our electorate just is -- just pure science, pure numbers is going to look more like barack obama's coalition of the ascendant in 2008 than donald trump's in 2016. >> yeah, joe, what it comes down to is the distribution -- the geographic distribution of these voters, right? we know there's an untapped potential voter base for example for democrats to continue to mine in the sunbelt states. we know that suburban moms for example began to shift away from the republican party and that shift was accentuated in the 2018 midterm elections so the question now is these sort of growing cadre of voters where are they located? if the answer is they're located in some of these urban areas or they're located in suburban