criminal law professor and this is not a good look for him. he's sounding kind of desperate. we know that all of this material, this evidence, is going to come out shortly, and he seems concerned about what it might say about him who also needs to be concerned, joy, about the president of the united states. in 2010, epstein gave a deposition in which he was asked, are you aware of any contacts between you and donald trump with girls under the age of 18? epstein said, i'd like to answer that question but i can't. he asserted the fifth. and joyce is absolutely right. now he's going to have strong incentive to actually answer that question to try to make some kind of deal to prevent him from going to prison for the rest of his life. now, i don't know if the prosecutors would take that deal, but if he's got any incriminating evidence on donald