you believed there was a strategic aspect to this on the president's part, bringing it up. let me ask you how you feel than now, and how that strategy looks now. because one way of reading this is what congressman khanna was just suggesting there. if the president's goal was to make these four women the face of the democratic party, to elevate them, maybe he can help achieve that here, but at what cost? at what political cost? >> well, and i think he is absolutely right about that. i think the miscalculation was he pushed it too far. look, this is a president who wants to run against, you know, radical socialist democrats. he wants to make the squad the face of the democratic party. interestingly enough, he's not leading chants about bernie sanders. he is not leading chants about elizabeth warren. he has selected these four minority women as his target. so there is no question about it. his cynicism feeds the ugliness of his strategy. but i think what happened is he got out ahead of his skis on this. you know, when you have a that kind of a chant, it offends the conscience of americans.