>> in the normal prosecutorial world we would now be looking at the epstein prosecution being run out of the southern district of new york and think okay, they've got the goods, they're going to detain him, they're going to go at him hard, maybe consider bringing him on as a cooperator so he can expose everybody else who is involved in his ugly unseemly sex ring. but bill barr is over the top of and has command and control over the southern district of new york. and that injects so much uncertainty and so much potentially nefarious conduct. >> mieke, can you believe we're living in an era where we have to discuss the a.g., as mr. kirschner did, as the president's potential personal lawyer stepping in to something like this? >> it's really unfortunate, but we've seen over and over again that that is what this president is looking for in an attorney general. when you read through the mueller report and his complaints to don mcgahn that he