in 2016, when bernie sanders jumped in, he was exciting, the political revolution, it was something new, it was something that we really hadn't heard before, and it was a binary choice, now we're in a situation where you have elizabeth warren and others, elizabeth warren up by double digits, kamala harris coming up as well, and so what bernie needs to do, he needs to expand his base, his support, it's going to be very difficult for him to do that as we were just saying because of elizabeth warren and when you look at the, take a 30,000 foot view, yes, biden is leading, he is clearly the front runner, but japanese, elizabe -- but geez, elizabeth warren, they are exciting different parts of the base. >> steve, a couple of weeks ago, you mentioned how pro-business democrats, moderate democrats, they had sworn in the past they would never vote for elizabeth warren are actually giving her a second look, and perhaps thinking well, if she is the nominee, she's running a very